This is a discussion on Response to seeing "heavy fire power" openly carried within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by tcox4freedom It depends- Is it deer season? Is it possibly someone on their way to kill hogs? Maybe their on the way ...
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It may be their right but it attracts all kinds of unwanted attention. If your walking around with an AR 15, you are doing it to make a political statement. It makes no sense, your right or not,to poke the anti gun people in the eye, to deliberately antagonize the ones that are trying to kill the 2A. Public perception means something,they will accept responsible law abiding citizens discreatly carry a fire arm concealed.They are less tolerant of open carry.Lets face it,it frightens them.Even more so when people start carrying big guns openly. Frightened people want something done to stop that kind of behavior,it creates more anti gun people. It fuels the anti gun movement. Its irresponsible childish behavior,counter productive to the very activity they claim to have a right to. The ones that do this kind of thing are as dangerous to the 2A as any anti gun wacko. They will scream the loudest when they cause the rest of us to lose our right to bear arms.
The cops were totally cool with it because they knew how dangerous that job was.
I think openly carrying a holstered firearm and having a long arm in your hands are two very different things. I see safety issues. ND!!!! Rifles are for engaging threats at a further distance than the normal encounter. A small arm would probably be a better choice for personal defense. I know shotguns could be an exception.
Ram rod .... he stated: "many" open carriers carry for political reasons. Not "all" open carriers.
Although I do tend to think that more open carriers carry for that reason than not.
I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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Article I, Section 1.04 (of Ohio)
The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.
Open carry is fine, "inciting" can be criminal, and if you walk into a business and scare everyone one away with your tacti-cool AR them more businesses will be putting up "signs".
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I would find someone with a rifle slung on their back to be out-of-the-ordinary in a public place, but not a threat. It's the same way I feel when I see OC handguns. But someone carrying a rifle? That's a little different. If someone showed up with a pistol in their hands, how would you react? Personally, I'd be taking cover and clearing leather. There's a fine line between rights and responsibility.
I've open carried a long gun during hunting season...... of course, I didn't stand out at all.
Only occasionly have I openly carried my sidearm..... it's been no big deal so far. I CC probley 95% of the time though.
I fully support Openly carried sidearms. I have a problem with the 'in-your-face' aggressivness by individuals who think baiting and trolling for cops and the general population daring a MWAG call........
I one of the least raceist people around, but the Black panthers, the KKK, Big Al and Bro. Jessie, Arian wanna-be nation doofuses, the MEDIA, ....... that behavior dosn't help anything.
I'm a Christian, but priests who molest their altel boys, pastors cheating on their spouses or stealing from the collection plate, or Westbro-tards protesting our country's fallen........
Stupid hurts more than just the stupid.........
As for myself, I see a long gun going into Wally-World or the corner Stop-n-Rob, I'm steering clear. I don't wanna be in the kill-box OR be a part of some stupid gun-ho open carry militant's drama. It don't help 'the cause'.
"Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008
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Why do you feel the need to open this thread and then later add provisos governing the responses? Ram Rod's response was valid and thoughtful. The thread isn't your private property. Once you compose your thoughts and throw 'em out there in the form of an opening post then they're available for discussion and it's not for you to suppress comments of which you don't approve. You should debate Ram Rod's responses as you see fit but he should not be attacked, even obliquely, for sharing his opinion. After all, you asked for it when you made the original post.
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To return to the subject at hand, it's daft to carry long arms slung over the shoulder in public settings! Even lawmen in this region don't go wandering about on foot carrying their riot guns or carbines that way and this part of Texas is God's country with respect to gun rights and acceptance of firearms. The person who carries a long arm to "make a statement" is foolish in the extreme. If they are carrying it for any other reason then that reason is suspect. The old "reasonable man" theory has application here. Common sense has gone out of style in this day and age. These types who are "asserting their rights" carrying long arms in public are actually dishonest about their motives. They do it to get a personal thrill out of pressing the matter, pushing the limit, showing off, and making a spectacle of themselves. Let's just be honest here. They are not "protecting Second Amendment rights" as they claim to do.
And, deer season doesn't matter. I've managed to avidly hunt deer, coyotes, hogs, ducks, and dove since the early 1970s and never once had any call to carry my long arms around in public to do so. I've never had any luck seeing venison on the hoof at the local mall nor will the use of a duck call and a spread of decoys do me any good in the aisle in front of the sporting goods counter at WalMart.
Not picking on your excellent comments at all, tcox4freedom but rather using them to make a point.
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