Response to seeing "heavy fire power" openly carried

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    "HOWEVER, shooters with evil intent also carry "big guns" openly and proudly, just before blasting away in public."
    Rev, would you be able to point me to one of these incidents? I'm thinking you may have put a little too much emotion in that statement.

    I too don't particularly like the long gun open carriers. While I open carry for comfort and accessibility I feel the long guns are to attract attention. That said, I don't consider the long gun slung over shoulder a threat but would increase my SA. One carried in hand tho would be a different story as Yankee stated.

    I appreciate concealed carriers as well as open carriers and feel SA is our biggest advantage regardless of method of carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    So....anyone who open carries is making a political statement?
    He didn't say that, he said many. I'd agree with that. See the amount of people making confrontational youtube videos, having open carry meetings in public places, etc.

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    I would say it depends on all of the details. Location, time of year, types and number of other people, the manner in which it was being carried, dress and demeanor of the individual, etc...

    If they do not look/act suspicious or nervous, and the gun is on a sling on their back, then keep an eye on them, but no big deal. If they have it in their hands, it would be a concern.


    And to those bashing everyone who does it as a political statement, what if it was the only method legally available for you to carry a weapon for self-defense? Is it still just political, or would it be considered prudent to be ready to defend yourself whenever possible. Or are people only "normal" if they defend themselves the way you think is best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revdej View Post
    First, I'm all for open carry, even though I always conceal. Many open carriers choose to open carry as a political statement, carrying ARs and other assorted "big guns" in very public places where it's legal. Again, I'm ok with that as it is their right. HOWEVER, shooters with evil intent also carry "big guns" openly and proudly, just before blasting away in public. As concealed carriers and gun folks, if you see someone come into your restaraunt or coming near you in a parking lot with a lot of heavy fire power, what is your response? Does your SA go up? How do you let them make their statement but keep an eye on they just in case they are not a 2A mouth-piece, but a deranged psycho? Remember, I'm not talking about a gun club at starbucks with pistols strapped to their sides, but scenes like the teenager in Birmingham recently arrested because of his choice of carry equipment.
    Is this based on one incident? I have NEVER seen open carriers with ARs in any place other than the gun range or gun shop - or out hunting. I have never heard of a "shooter with evil intent" carrying around a long gun "proudly" [your word].

    Seems like a fabricated scenario, so I don't wish to provide a fabricated answer.

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    Given such a broad question, I would have to answer as follows:

    I guess that this is a good reason to place yourself where you can use your SA most effectivly that gives you the most time to get you and yours outta Dodge if things go bad. Don't live in fear, live ready. All done beforehand, not necessarily requiring confrontation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene83 View Post
    Here's the point and I'll be done with it. We had a clown in my state who had a carry permit and made a point of using it to provoke people, especially law enforcement. He open carried in state parks with a pistol similar to the one that I just posted. Oh, but he painted the tip of his orange. He walked through Brentwood with a Navy Colt or something because he found a loophole in the law that allowed him to do it.

    You can watch him in action here.




    Haslam is now our governor. Embody finally got his permit revoked.

    I am not opposed to open carry. I don't like jerks and you can be a jerk regardless of how you carry.
    I watched the video and failed to see anything jerky in it... did I miss something?
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    Because there are a lot of knee-jerk types out there who'll scream "he's got a gun!" at the mere sight of something gun-shaped, it behooves a person to both look and act like a sensible reasonable citizen when going out into the world. The knee-jerks and automaton responders going after a MWAG will tend to be less vehement in their responses, in addition to having little to no justification. The "grey man" concept does wonders, here.

    What do I do when seeing "heavy" firepower? Hell, there are knee-jerks who consider any defensive tool to be "heavy," rational or not. I've only seen stuff beyond typical sidearms on a couple occasions, outside of a range or hunting/field situation. Wasn't unhinged at the time, nor did I get unduly concerned. Though I agree with the wondering whether a person who would make such a decision has considered all of the potential ramifications.
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    My daughter-in-law thinks my P226 is "heavy firepower", while she views my wife's S&W 642 Ladysmith as "cute". Go figure.

    It's like the "assault weapons" ban: based solely on looks, not function. Those with an ignorance of firearms make all kinds of irrational suppositions.

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    "It's 99% half mental." - Yogi Berra

    Context matters, ie., Alaska, hunting season, or bear country.

    It's hard not to notice the obvious. Chances are, you have more to worry about from the unseen. I certainly wouldn't freak out, unless he had a checkered towel on his head and was yelling something in a foreign language. Then I might pop him from behind cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badey View Post
    I watched the video and failed to see anything jerky in it... did I miss something?
    +1... only guy I saw ask about firearms issues did so in a very polite and level manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunthorp View Post
    "It's 99% half mental." - Yogi Berra

    Context matters, ie., Alaska, hunting season, or bear country.

    It's hard not to notice the obvious. Chances are, you have more to worry about from the unseen. I certainly wouldn't freak out, unless he had a checkered towel on his head and was yelling something in a foreign language. Then I might pop him from behind cover.
    So an Italian has a bad hair day, and you drill him? That's just rude!
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    Alrighty... Let me think this through for a second... I'm going to direct this response to the OP, but this will be relevant to other posts in this thread. I hope you don’t get angry that I post a couple of paragraphs, but I feel the need to express my opinions on this matter as a whole.

    1) You are OK with the concept of Open Carrying.
    2) You stereotype people who open carry long guns as people who may potentially have “evil intent”. That, or they must be making a political statement.
    3) You want to know if other people have knee jerk reactions and think someone carrying a long gun has “evil intent” and if their situational awareness heightens.

    Valid questions. I’ll respond as I see it.

    Personally, I don’t see any difference in this situation from someone who is an anti and disapproves of someone carrying a gun either concealed or openly. The only difference is that you have a mental issue with someone carrying a long gun because of your interpretation of social norms. Are the bullets going to start flying out of it any quicker than a pistol on someone’s hip? Not likely. Are they going to do more damage? Debatably, no. Could someone who is carrying concealed do much more potential damage than the guy who is openly carrying for everyone to see? Debatably, yes.

    Yet, socially, us concealed and open carriers somehow have a problem with someone carrying small arms that are slightly larger than the one that we carry on our hip. Does this make us any different than the anti’s that we always rant about? In a way, it does not. Sure, we are going to be more situationally aware in any circumstance that seems odd/different/unfamiliar to our day to day routines. Should we, though? If you are correct, and the guy wearing the long gun is doing it for “political” purposes, why is this so wrong? The alternative being he is going to do something “evil” doesn’t seem nearly as likely. I can’t think of too many instances where the weird guy walking around with a long gun is out to shoot random people or target something/someone. Aren’t those guys typically the quiet discreet ones who hang up in a bell tower?

    The antis see a pistol on someone’s hip and freak out because they think this person must be doing something “evil” or “politically motivated”. They don’t understand the need for self protection – or are completely uneducated and ignorant of the facts of the matter. They don’t see carrying a concealed weapon as a necessary tool. They see it as socially deviant. …They see the same things that you see in the guy with the long gun strapped to his back. In essence, they guy with the long gun strapped to his back is offending a slightly larger pool of people than those who do it secretly, or have a smaller small arm. In the end, I fail to see the difference between carrying a hidden gun, exposed gun, or slightly longer gun - other than psychological myths and social awkwardness. Maybe the guys with the long guns have it right, and all of us who conceal are the hypocrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus222 View Post
    Alrighty... Let me think this through for a second... I'm going to direct this response to the OP, but this will be relevant to other posts in this thread. I hope you don’t get angry that I post a couple of paragraphs, but I feel the need to express my opinions on this matter as a whole.

    1) You are OK with the concept of Open Carrying.
    2) You stereotype people who open carry long guns as people who may potentially have “evil intent”. That, or they must be making a political statement.
    3) You want to know if other people have knee jerk reactions and think someone carrying a long gun has “evil intent” and if their situational awareness heightens.

    Valid questions. I’ll respond as I see it.

    Personally, I don’t see any difference in this situation from someone who is an anti and disapproves of someone carrying a gun either concealed or openly. The only difference is that you have a mental issue with someone carrying a long gun because of your interpretation of social norms. Are the bullets going to start flying out of it any quicker than a pistol on someone’s hip? Not likely. Are they going to do more damage? Debatably, no. Could someone who is carrying concealed do much more potential damage than the guy who is openly carrying for everyone to see? Debatably, yes.

    Yet, socially, us concealed and open carriers somehow have a problem with someone carrying small arms that are slightly larger than the one that we carry on our hip. Does this make us any different than the anti’s that we always rant about? In a way, it does not. Sure, we are going to be more situationally aware in any circumstance that seems odd/different/unfamiliar to our day to day routines. Should we, though? If you are correct, and the guy wearing the long gun is doing it for “political” purposes, why is this so wrong? The alternative being he is going to do something “evil” doesn’t seem nearly as likely. I can’t think of too many instances where the weird guy walking around with a long gun is out to shoot random people or target something/someone. Aren’t those guys typically the quiet discreet ones who hang up in a bell tower?

    The antis see a pistol on someone’s hip and freak out because they think this person must be doing something “evil” or “politically motivated”. They don’t understand the need for self protection – or are completely uneducated and ignorant of the facts of the matter. They don’t see carrying a concealed weapon as a necessary tool. They see it as socially deviant. …They see the same things that you see in the guy with the long gun strapped to his back. In essence, they guy with the long gun strapped to his back is offending a slightly larger pool of people than those who do it secretly, or have a smaller small arm. In the end, I fail to see the difference between carrying a hidden gun, exposed gun, or slightly longer gun - other than psychological myths and social awkwardness. Maybe the guys with the long guns have it right, and all of us who conceal are the hypocrites.
    Great points. I can't speak for others, but my SA increases when I see someone with a long gun anywhere but the range or out hunting (or similar places where you might expect to see one). My SA also goes up when I see someone open carrying a handgun, and it would go up if I saw someone with an inconspicuous bulge that I suspected of being a concealed pistol. My SA would also go up if I saw someone with a sword...

    My SA would go up higher upon seeing someone slinging a long gun than seeing a holstered pistol precisely because this is outside of social norms, which begs the question if said person is 'abnormal' in some other way. Same is true to a lesser extent when it comes to a holstered OC pistol. But again this depends on other things as well. Like where I am. If I'm up in Alaska, I won't think twice about it. Other places would be different.

    This all seems quite rational to me.

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