Online CCH courses
This is a discussion on Online CCH courses within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; As I've said before, I believe that even the state of NH's licensing requirement is unconstitutional. It's a "shall issue" in 14 days, and requires ...
June 18th, 2012 09:04 AM
As I've said before, I believe that even the state of NH's licensing requirement is unconstitutional. It's a "shall issue" in 14 days, and requires $10, a one-page application, three references, and a stated purpose (self defense, hunting, and target shooting are all valid purposes). No training requirements. Alaska's new rules probably come the closest to Constitutional carry, but even that falls short.
But, I've relented to the requirements of other states for practicality and will continue to do so (though I'm currently refusing to play in MA... just can't bring myself to donate $100/yr to their blatantly anti-Constitution mindset. If given the choice of doing online vs. live required training, I probably would do the online course on my own timeline.
Is live training better than online? In many cases yes, but let's be real - almost all of the "training" required by the various states is not true training, but merely informing.
June 18th, 2012 09:04 AM
June 18th, 2012 09:52 AM
We have a course in NC, and you certainly can't call it training. It's basically an orientation class. That said, I think the people who design and deliver the course do a superb job with the time and materials they have.
Half is about gun maintenance, operation, and safety. The other half about legal issues of self defense.
What I have learned since becoming a concealed carrier is it's not about HOW to use a pistol as a self-defense tool, it's almost all about WHY and WHEN.
My safety mindset and risk avoidance strategies have been sharpened as a carrier, and I am more active in seeking ways to totally eliminate the likelihood I will ever need to deploy that last-ditch tool. I find it interesting that the more I study, read stuff here, and work on my risk management plan, the less likely I will ever need to use a firearm to defend myself or my family.
I'm not wasting time or money attempting to become a pistolero or combat-ready gunfighter. I am using those resources to better ensure I never need to get into a gunfight at all. I carry a sidearm to get me out of a very unlikely scenario very quickly, not to stay in the fight.
June 18th, 2012 10:40 AM
I can't find a thing I agree with in this post, based on experience and known fact. I emerged from my NRA-sponsored class knowing a lot more about handguns than I did going in, and we fired a semi-auto. The class isn't supposed to make you a weapons expert, just teach basic gun safety, maintenance and operation, along with the laws of your state. My class was very successful on all counts. It's hilarious to expect first-time shooters to get a "fist-sized grouping" from 15'.
Originally Posted by Spidey2011
June 18th, 2012 11:21 AM
Originally Posted by DaveH
Originally Posted by noway2
Originally Posted by DaveH
While it's important to engage in the political system to work towards the improvement of CCW laws by voting, writing letters, and even becoming a known voice/face of RKBA; you can also have meaningful discussions with friends and peers that do not know about or even favor CC (or OC).
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
You have to be diplomatic... you have to be tactful... and you can not go in to a discussion with the attitude that you are right and become argumentative.
Bugdude recently posted a discussion ( Influencing Opinions ) he had with someone who was not in favor of defensive carry... a person who changed their mind and started asking about the process... Such a conversion is rare. Usually, all you can do is incrementally change the mind of an anti. It's like turning an ocean liner... they don't turn on a dime. It's a process.
Going in with "guns a blazing" in this case will not win the day... Look how long it took us to get "shall issue" in states like Wisconsin, Iowa, and others...
But if you don't want to get into the political fray... you can engage people you know... a little at a time.... that will make it easier for the "power hitters" to deal with the politicians... you see if their constituency isn't all in a lather over changes in the law to more freedom... there's more chance for those pols to help enact laws that are less draconian... at the least... and let the snowball effect take over.
It could be worse!
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