June 16th, 2012 08:05 PM
His 'read' is that he's able to carry concealed. But it's going to come down to interpretation of the school's "unauthorized" lingo, methinks.
Originally Posted by Chad Rogers
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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June 16th, 2012 11:53 PM
GFSZ only applies to elementary and secondary schools. Does not apply to college.
Originally Posted by Wreckingba11
June 17th, 2012 12:14 AM
I wouldn't interpret any of that to say that your university allows general conceal carry on campus.
June 17th, 2012 03:02 AM
I don't see anything about a concealed carry permit. This seems to be talking about everything else.
Originally Posted by PIMking
Cogito, ergo armatum sum. I think, therefore I am armed. (Don Mann, The Modern Day Gunslinger; the ultimate handgun training manual)
June 17th, 2012 07:47 AM
The following is from the UA Student Handbook that is on-line right now. Student Handbook
OP, I think the adminstration has made their stance perfectly clear. This is why they are not receiving my previously-generous contributions until they fix this issue.
J. Student Safety
1. Students at the University have the responsibility to help contribute to the safety and security of the campus. Therefore, individuals and organizations should take reasonable precautions for the safety and well being of all members of the University community.
2. Possession of firearms, ammunition, and weapons by students is not allowed on campus.
The University of Alabama Police Department will register and store guns for students.
3. Students should expect disciplinary action to be taken against them by University, criminal justice authorities, or both, if they:
a. Throw objects into or from University facilities.
b. Misuse fire or other life safety equipment.
or improperly possess ammunition, firearms, or weapons on University property
d. Conduct themselves in a manner that endangers the health and safety of other persons on campus.
Also, the first bolded point seems like a Catch-22. Unless they moved the cop shop since I was there got out in '80, it is on campus. Not to mention the problems with registering your weapons. I would either get an off-campus apartment or leave the weapons in dad's safe.
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June 17th, 2012 08:32 AM
That's how I read it as well...
Originally Posted by Bhamrichard
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June 17th, 2012 08:41 AM
I thought I was the only one who went "huh?" when I read the thread. If you understand english, as spelled out in the school's guide that you quoted, it is clear that you are not being given permission to go CC or OC on campus. Certainly you should check same and be sure who is giving you the advice so that you do not end up with a potential felony.
Originally Posted by Bhamrichard
June 17th, 2012 10:07 AM
OP, the section you provided completely omits "on campus self defense" which could be argued allows such, until you get to post #20.
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June 17th, 2012 06:28 PM
Hypothetically speaking. WHAT would happen if you were discovered carrying on campus, granted you are in a carry state and have a permit? (What charges). God forbid, what if a shooting occurred on campus, and you saved lives?
Just a FYI for me.
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June 18th, 2012 12:45 AM
Chages? Probably none, as it seems it a legal activity, by state law.
Originally Posted by hinkleid
Administratively ,the university could well give him the boot. That's the norm most everywhere state law does not explicitly prohibit campus carry, but universities are allowed to prohibit it.
The only common sense gun legislation was written about 224 years ago.
I carry always not because I go places trouble is likely, but because trouble has a habit of not staying in its assigned zone.
June 18th, 2012 08:27 AM
That does not say you can carry on campus. It says, bring your permit when you bring the gun to them for storage.
Originally Posted by PIMking
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June 18th, 2012 10:51 AM
So, two days ago our OP posted that He could carry on university grounds...
IMO, (and that of many others who can read for comprehension on this site) he's wrong.
So, where'd he go?
It could be worse!
June 18th, 2012 11:44 AM
I believe this started when I was in school from 2003-2007. I beleive at that time it was illegal to have any firearms on campus period. I dabbled with joining a Trap/Skeet shooting club and I remember it was an issue because some of the guys lived on campus and couldn't store their shotguns on campus. I didn't keep up with the issue very closely because I lived off campus but I remember some of the guys trying to work something out with the University, maybe this rule is a result of their efforts. I would not read this as being ok to carry on campus. You should call UAPD and talk to a supervisor or somebody higher up.
June 18th, 2012 11:55 AM
Check with the Alabama Attorney General if you really want to know the real answers. I know two things: 1. The Tuscaloosa county sheriff is not a fan of younger people having a CCW (especially students) and 2. he is the one who issues permits.
I am a HUGE Alabama fan and have been all my life. But I would never send my 19 year old daughter there for college. Tuscaloosa is a pretty violent town when you get off campus.
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June 18th, 2012 12:31 PM
Does State Law provide the University the legal backing for this, or is it (like here) a matter of being dismissed and losing your tuition?
If it's a legal matter, check your firearm at the gate. If it's a trespass matter, you need to evaluate your concealment options and the value of self-protection compared to lost tuition and importance of that particular school.
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