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Really Bill? That sounds a little childish doesn't it....sorry.....LOL I gave up cowboys and indians a long time ago.
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I find almost all who think they can find somewhere they can't, which is why you have to need to learn more. When on the range shooting paper or steel that does not shoot back you find you can always think you win. But when the target you are shooting shots back that is not always the case.
If you think you are GOOD enough I say prove it. (At least to yourself) go up against a live breathing target and find out. I put that out there for all those who don't think training is needed and those who do. Do you really know what you think you know?
In a strong-arm robbery you are either threatened with a weapon you can overcome with your handgun (that's not a knife, THIS is a knife...), or someone has the drop on you and you comply - trained or not.
Additionally, a large majority of the situations are handled by simply displaying the firearm. Again, you can say what you want, but that doesn't make it any less true.
I carry a firearm to avoid a violent assualt, not to engage in one as a combatant. My surgeries mean my reflexes aren't what they once were. A friend of mine my age recently shot a meth tweaker who was camped out in a house he owned. He called the police, and when he went by the door, the guy lunged at him, so he shot him in the gut with a .380. My friend is a former Marine, but said wisely, "I don't engage in fights anymore."
The tweaker survived. The cops came and dragged the druggie away. He healed up, and now lives across the street from the house where the shooting occurred. He had moved into the vacant house because his family threw him out for stealing from them. He's now back with them on pity parole......
These are the more likely scenarios, not FOF combat.
I started to carry in 06 I had been raise with guns and I could shoot and pistol good enough to get expert pistol while in the service. But I felt I was short on the knowledge to win in a situation against a BG. Like Glockman said in one of his post it is up to each of us to find what we need, I started looking found what I thought to right for my needs. I trained and then I practiced what I had learn till it became part me. (look at the first quote in my sig line) I then did FOF to find out if it really worked or not. I found I was still short on knowledge, so I searched more in the training world, found what I thought to be the answer, again trained and practiced then done FOF. In my search for knowledge I have done FOF 4 times. I now think I am close to where I want and need to be. (notice I said think) For one never know for sure about life, there is always a curve ball in the mix of life.
In my search for knowledge I have found not only does one need skill in gun, hand and knife but also mind. Without the proper mindset one will come up short in the most trying time of life. Without the mind to give the body the direction to take you will find the tool in your hand useless in most cases. React that has become habit is the mind on auto pilot, without that reaction in a fight for your life you are doomed, if you have to think your way through you lost before you started.
Just some thought of my process in/on CCing and what I see as important to continue to see my grandkids grow up
Mac, my FOF is not for combat training but is situations that any CCer can or could and that many have found themselves facing. If you think having a gun and the using or not using of it will save you from all you may face, (you my friend are coming up short, in my eyes, in lots of cases that are out there) A gun is not a save all do all tool.
I hope you never have to face any trail of life and death in you life time the same as for me. But if you should I wish you luck because I think it will play a large role in the out come if you face situations that others have face that are in the news.
You make some interesting points, then completely blow your argument by your nutty hyperbole. Your use of absolutes such as "doomed", "useless", "come up short", are simply concepts you are pulling out of - err - thin air. I know you're proud of your newfound gun prowess. However, your prescription for risk avoidance sounds more like a prescription for how to get in trouble.
Ultimately, no matter your mad skillz in urban kung fu, age and loss of agility will impact your ability to "win" in a FOF fight more than any training can ever overcome. I know, that's not what Steven Segal says.....
But I knew when I posted the FOF thing that it would get the same reply as the need for other training and practice I DON'T NEED IT I have my gun, which I can shoot and I will never have to use it anyway because my SA is so good they will never get close me. If they should be a situation of the BG actually being there the sight of my gun will make them run away because all the stories I read tell me so.
So with that good luck to all and may God be with us all, because He is the one who really gets us through life how ever it may be.