This is a discussion on Us and them... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by tacman605 Not everyone will train to a higher level and maybe they don't need to but the bad thing is if they ...
Maybe I'm dense, but people actually prefer not to become proficient with their firearms on a Defensive Carry forum. Beyond me.
I just returned from a three-hour range session with my wife, who managed to hit IPSC target As with all her defensive carry guns from ten feet to 25 yards. And yes, she did draw from the holster.
To be honest I saw this thread as a barely subtle vehicle for the committed elitists to look down their noses at the less committed.
I think some of us just see a difference between defensive carry and extensive carry.
"People who take an Internet handle of a great warrior, are usually the first to go fetal when crunch time comes." - Me
I am sure no one is looking down their nose at anyone, but some of the comments seem rather caviler (though they are probably not meant to be). I am not consumed by the subject, but it is never too far from my mind either. I practice drawing from my pocket or purse often (unloaded weapon) so I can correct any "bugs" that might occur. Better to find this out during "training" than have it hang up when actually needed. I don't so as much range work as I would like, but do when I have the opportunity. All this is done in the unlikely event that I am faced with such a incident. Being trained as a Paramedic....procedures where drilled into us....so when faced with them...they are second nature and done quickly with as little hesitation as possible. That is my training with a lethal weapon.
If your training is less...that is your choice. I don't live in your skin and not try to tell you what you should do. If it works for you...that is enough. If it doesn't work...you will be the first to know.
Each according to their own needs. But I find no fault in anyone whose training is more. It just shows a real commitment to the subject. I have seen comments that do try to make it seem like those who train more are some kind of "freak" and that is just wrong.....just as wrong as making someone who doesn't feel the need is lax in their commitment.
A woman must not depend on protection by men. A woman must learn to protect herself.
Susan B. Anthony
A armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one has to back it up with his life.
The two items in bold are what you work so hard to provide to the "average Joe/P95" types of our society is it not?
I am by no means an adherent to the thought that we can ever achieve a Utopian society, but I would like to think that "Joe" will be able to live without having been in the places I have been and seeing the things I have seen.
I think glockman10mm's responses are something you should think on.
Now over 10 years past active duty, I'm still not 100% decompressed, but I try to be for my family and the "Joe's" I encounter daily.
Perhaps Churchill said it best "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm"
I don't want the "Joe" to be one of the "rough men" if he has neither the capacity or inclination to do so.
"Death is lighter than a feather, but Duty is heavier than a mountain" Robert Jordan
Glock 19 Gen 4
Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes
Just out of curiosity, just for the hell of it, can anyone here that attends training, by this I mean civilian training geared towards defensive carry, point out or articulate what they think they can do better better than someone who does not train as often?
Is there anything, that you can specifically point out, or feel that you have learned in taking these " training classes", that leads you to think that you are more proficient at something than someone who does not attend regular formal classes?
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.