This is a discussion on Are You Too Stupid To Conceal Carry? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; It's interesting the comments I get when people see that ring. Young people particularly think it is some kind of cool "secret symbol" or a ...
It's interesting the comments I get when people see that ring. Young people particularly think it is some kind of cool "secret symbol" or a fraternity ring. Makes for some good conversations and opportunities.
So, how do you do you find the time to moderate a gun forum, and run the Vatican? Impressive stuff, Your Holiness.
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In your estimation and judgement, were these people simply completely ignorant about guns and self-defense, or were they actually low-functioning on the IQ scale?
I ask because in several of the basic CCW classes I have attended or helped instruct (at the range), I have seen very intelligent and very well-educated people asking very basic questions, clearly because they just plain did not know. Admittedly, they could easily have found the answers using a quick Google search, but they were in a class with no computers in the room and they were obviously just thinking about some of the questions they asked for the very first time, so they asked the instructor (or me). When I asked them about their background and knowledge level and reasons for taking the class, they uniformly replied that they knew nothing about CCW and that was why they were taking the class; to start at ground zero and learn their way up the curve as fast as they could, and they thought a class was the best way to do that. Even some of the experienced deer hunters had never contemplated self-defense and CCW (and they asked most of the really good questions).
They didn't know, and wanted to find answers.What surprised me afterwards was the hour of utterly stupid questions
I thought there was no such thing as a 'stupid question'?
Stupid is all relative. Just when you think you've really seen all things stupid, somebody shows you something new.
Let's be careful out there.
Never underestimate stupid people...especially in large numbers.
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Can someone be too dumb to be stupid??
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Hopefully, I'm not too stupid to carry but I know there are some out there. Perhaps "unskilled" or "ignorant" are better word choices than "stupid", and hopefully for everyone concerned, knowledge and skills can improve over time. At my carry class, I watched a student place several hits on the target in the adjacent lane. He still managed to get enough hits on his own paper to qualify for his permit though.
one of the first things my CCW instructor told us and he mentioned several times during the class is "every bullet has an attorney attached too it."
Ghost tracker, I'm gonna have to call bull on chainsaws not being inherently dangerous.
Also, I am happy and thankful that I have the legal privilege of carrying a firearm. However, I feel that a minimum training standard should absolutely be mandatory, in every state.
I've been to too many ranges and seen too many untrained and uneducated shooters (just in PA) that could, in all likelyhood, go out and buy a permit and a gun and start carrying. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should. I'm all for civilians carrying weapons. I just think that they should have to pass two tests. 1 test on laws, ethics, and applicable practices, and another test demonstrating practical proficiency with a firearm. If for no other reason than protecting themselves legally.
What if the middle aged soccer mom on the sidewalk behind you had her purse stolen. She decides this is the perfect time to use the revolver her husband bought her and convinced her to carry to get that bad guy. Since no one taught her that that isn't a situation that warrants deadly force, and no one taught her how to shoot, you caught a stray bullet in the back. Would you want that woman to have some level of training?
I don't think that every single person is incapable of using a firearm effectively and legally, but if we don't make it mandatory for everyone, then those people who aren't can do whatever they feel like. especially if they're 'too stupid to carry'. Too ignorant to carry is a better term. Lets educate first, then let people arm themselves.
Last edited by Rock and Glock; July 19th, 2012 at 06:53 PM.
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I think it is up to the states to decide how much training is necessary and proper for a person to wield a handgun on their person. There already is a federally minimum standard.
1) A legal citizen.
2) Not a felon.
3) Not an addict or substance abuser.
4) Mentally sane.
I had a hunters safety course - which is required to hunt in my state. I wouldn't be against a required firearm safety course. It would need to be free of charge, though. Or the fees associated with the permitting process (which is already absurd in GA) could fund it. Again, I think the states can decide on whatever minimums that they like. They pretty much already do, anyways. Just don't forget that us citizens have the right to firearms and self defense. Unlike a privilege system for driving a car. ...In most states, at least.
Edit: I just had a genius idea. Firearms safety could be taught in the public school system. If it weren't for all the uneducated/insane/(insert adjective) anti's, this is where the education could and should start.