doctor visit - lesson learned
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I usually leave my gun in the car when I see a doctor, but this particular doctor never has physically ...
September 18th, 2006 03:09 PM
doctor visit - lesson learned
Visited my "back doctor" today.
I usually leave my gun in the car when I see a doctor, but this particular doctor never has physically examined me before, so, today I decided to carry in the office.
(I don't like leaving my gun in the car and decided to bring it in with me today).
As luck would have it, she decides to examine my back today. She lifted my shirt before I could comment and started poking around my lower back.
I felt that she must have spotted my gun (IWB 8 o'clock - I'm left handed), but she didn't say anything.
Before I could fully turn around she was walking out of the exam room - muttered that she would write me a script and see me in 2 weeks.
The nurse came in and said I was done - the doctor locked herself in the office.
I told my wife when I got home - she laughed hysterically and said that she would call them and explain.
My wife calls - the office manager says that the doctor was in her office crying! They called the police - found that I was clean and licensed to carry.
However, the doctor refuses to see me again.
Unbelievable! My wife was still laughing hysterically when she came to tell me what they said...
I should have explained, but the doctor left the exam room so quickly, I didn't have a chance.
Oh, well - you live - you learn.
September 18th, 2006 03:11 PM
I guess that's one way to find out if your doctor is right for you.
Hahahah. Started crying. Hilarious.
September 18th, 2006 03:38 PM
If I were you, I'd take the opportunity to send the doctor a written letter.
In it I would explain why we carry & what we have to go thru to get permits & try to impress upon her that we aren't the threat! Give her as much information as you can & also include that you will respect her wishes & go elsewhere.
Be polite, be accurate & don't be confrontational & don't make fun of her 'emotion' & how she responded. It's up to you if you feel you want to apologize for frightening her. Me, I would tell her I was sorry that was her reaction to the firearm, I wouldn't apologize for carrying it!
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September 18th, 2006 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by goawayfarm
September 18th, 2006 04:10 PM
Argh, the poor woman!
I'm serious. She lives in a state with carry-friendly laws, and she is so distraught by the sight of a legally carried gun that she hides & bursts into tears. It leads me to believe that she must have had some trauma in her life to make her respond like that. Awful to be that fearful.
Hmmmm. From a medical perspective, it's really too bad that your back doctor did not already know that you habitually carry a heavy piece of metal strapped to your waistband. It is quite possible that your carry habits can & do have an effect on your back pain, and it would be helpful (maybe even necessary) for a back doctor to know that.
I had a close call this week in the doc's office. Got there & they switched my appt from my regular doc (who knows I carry & is cool with it) to another doc in the practice (who I've never met). No biggie -- I was just there for a sore throat anyway, so no real invasive stuff was going to happen.
Only it turned out I had strep, and they wanted to give me a shot for my antibiotic rather than pills. I'm all for that, because I'm lousy at taking pills on schedule. But the shot wasn't going to go in my arm ...
You can see where this is going?
Wearing a loose shirt rather than a removable cover garment. Stupidly left my "emergency" handbag in the car. Glanced around the room, spotted a Time magazine and concocted a plan. Doc walked out, I grabbed magazine, dumped my holstered gun on the chair with the magazine open over it -- as if I were saving my spot. Dropped my keys over the whole thing. Made it before the nurse walked in. Whew! Good save there, Kathy.
Nurse walked in and said, "Come on down to the other room for your shot."
Ummmmmmmm. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I gathered up the Time magazine in a fumbly-bumbly wrap and walked nonchalantly down the hall behind her. Brazen it out.
Got away with it. I think.
But ... Next time, I'll know better.
September 18th, 2006 04:10 PM
WOW, I'm amazed at that reaction. It's not like you pulled out your gun and said "give me all your money"
September 18th, 2006 04:22 PM
Although her reaction was idiotic in my mind I agree, be polite and non-confrontational. Who knows, you may win a convert. It's worth a try.
Originally Posted by goawayfarm
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September 18th, 2006 04:44 PM
I wonder if she was ever in contact with one of those guns that jumps out of holsters, pulls it's own trigger, and sprays the room...and she was afraid that might happen again?
Not to mention that she could have violated your confidentiality IRT HIPPA rules...i.e. (to borrow another's suggestion) that the gun you carry & mags, *might* be the cause of your back pain.
I think you should send me your guns, mags and ammo--just to be safe...and I'll send you a water pistol (or a Glock)--both are made from plastic LOL.....j/k...you need to rest your back.
Despite her unreasonable reaction--how is your back?
September 18th, 2006 04:51 PM
This is why i make sure all my doctors and dentist are into guns.
Of course most I've met because they are customers of mine.
Whenever I go to the doc's, half the visit is showing off new pistols while other patients are sitting in the waiting room.
Now you guys know what takes so long while you're sitting out there waiting!
"He who makes things with his hands is a laborer, he who makes things with his hands and his head is a craftsman, he who makes things with his hands, his head, and his heart is an artist."
September 18th, 2006 04:59 PM
Thanks guys - I needed to get this off my chest and all of your posts were very helpful.
My wife, god bless her, agrees with all of your posts too - except for surrendering my weapons to SIG.lol.
My back problems are specifically attributed to some herniated and bulging disks in my lower and mid back.
I've lived with it for years and I'm OK with it - thanks for asking SIG.
Not much they can do anyway, other than surgery and medication - neither of which I want to do.
I've had too many friends have bad results with surgery and the medication route is bad for me too - as I don't like to have my faculties impaired.
Physical therapy does help and that's why I was seeing this doctor.
September 18th, 2006 05:07 PM
I do find her reaction somewhat humorous, but in all seriousness goawayfarm's response is probably the best. This would seem to be an opportune moment to possibly educate without alienating. Just remember to be polite and respectful. The other upside - at least she finished the exam before she broke down .
September 18th, 2006 05:27 PM
One never knows what caused the reaction. It could have been fear of the unknown or something more complicated such as a family member having shot him or herself recently. A non-pushy letter stating why you carry may educate her some and cause her to open her eyes to reality. After that, it's her call. But if she was willing to call the police on you, it's not likely you'll be getting to see her again.
September 18th, 2006 05:34 PM
I think we are all missing the point -- she was obviously reacting to the fact that you are left-handed Sorry, couldn't resist (being left-handed myself).
"Do not fear those who disagree with you; fear those that do and are too cowardly to admit it" - Napoleon
September 18th, 2006 06:17 PM
You Need a New Doctor...
She locked herself in an office...she was mighty thoughtful of her staff's safety...if you were a trouble maker...they were on their own. She called the police on you? For what?
I would request a 'face to face' or a telephone conversation at the least.
I would be polite, but she needs to understand the laws...unless her office has a policy...if it doesn't...it will shortly!
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September 18th, 2006 06:47 PM
I agree with the suggestion that you may want to send her a formal written letter. I'd apologize for scaring her, and at the same time not apologize for carrying...it's a delicate act, but the apology will let her know that you regret scaring her, the rest of the letter can explain why she doesn't need to be afraid. It always amazes me that someone can be intelligent enough to be a physician but downright stupid when it comes to having enough common sense to deal with an experience like she had with you as a patient...duh. And, what a step backward in terms of "acting like a little girl"....gee, I think I'll lock myself in my office and cry...duh.
In my situation, my medical care is split between Veterans Affairs (VA) and at Mayo Clinic on a fee basis with VA paying (100% service-connected disabled). Since I cannot risk losing the benefits of this situation, and needing regular care and treatment, I can't screw up and walk or drive onto VA grounds with a gun. I'm all about my rights, but I'm practical about needing health care.
An IDPA shooting buddy of mine back in MI is a dentist, and when I lived there he took care of me. As he flitted from patient to patient as they do, I'd sit in the dental chair and aim out the window, dry firing some of his newer pistols and revolvers. Plus, he had a very extravagant office, with a private office area that was more like a den. He'd schedule me at 4 pm as final patient of the day, and afterward we'd head to his office and have a few beers as we talked shooting. Only dentist I liked to visit!
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