Originally Posted by
HotGuns
People get wrapped up on this body armor thing, thinking that it makes someone invincible. It does not.
One of the perps in the Hollywood shootout was killed when a SWAT officer shot the guy through the foot, dropping him to the ground.
If shooting at an apparent spot doesn't work, you have to have enough presence of thought to try something else. A bullet proof vest will not stop repeated hits in the same area.
Shoot for the legs, the feet, the arms, you gotta do what you gotta do to make the threat cease.
if you don't have the proper mentality then stay out of the fight. Even if you do have it and you do everything correctly you may die.
I have been an advocate of carrying full sized handguns for years, just for situations like this. The pipsqueak guns aren't going to do it. If you have the right mindset and the wrong tools, it wont do it. You are already at a disadvantage because you have brought a handgun to a rifle fight.
I participated in a active shooter scenario at a Junior High several years ago, where the "perp" had boiler plate wrapped around him and he was armed with a 9MM AR. He had taken many simunition "hit' to his torso and people kept shooting there because that is what they were trained to do. It was a drill that was controlled and then critiqued. When my turn came up, I popped him a couple of times and then went to the knees and groin area and kept shooting until they called it.
When I was asked why I shot where I did, I told them that shooting that boiler plate wasn't doing any good, that I had to do something. They commended me, saying that it was the right thing to do.
All of us on my dept had done active shooter scenarios before, but they thought they would throw a kink in the plan. All we were told was to respond to a man with a gun. Communications were also critiqued, and several of the guys never mentioned that the shooter was armored up. Had they done that, more officers would have responded with the appropriate weapons rather than just showing up with handguns.
Something else to think about.
Thus far, in mass shootings, we have been very fortunate to have for the most part, whack jobs that didn't have much of a clue about shooting or killing.
I have always thought that one or two guys with a clue, being gun people and having the right backgrounds could make a active shooter event and absolute night mare for first responders or any one that was unarmed.
The shooter at Aurora, according to reports was brilliant and at the top of his class. He popped smoke, wore a gas-mask and started shooting. It's a miracle that no more people were killed than there were.He had a well thought out plan and he stuck with it, and one thing that liberals and the news media will ignore is the fact that he chose a target rich environment to do it. He had little threat, if any, of opposition.
I've said many times that if you are qualified to carry a gun,then there is no reason not to be able to carry it anywhere and everywhere. NO GUN zones exist for one reason and one reason only...to placate anti-gun people that generally don't have a clue about reality.
The fools that go screaming for more gun laws are just that...fools making a lot of noise about something they know nothing about. They think that passing a law that is the right way to go, because they are too ignorant to understand that a law does nothing to prevent a crime, it only serves as an enforcement mechanism after the fact.
Lets repeal those worthless laws,and give anyone that would, at least a fighting chance. Any chance is better than no chance and at least there is hope that you just might get lucky and live.
As for me, I am tired of stupid laws that give the advantage to an attacker. I am tired of the weak mindsets of people that give up before they even get started because they think they are doomed to failure. I am tired of the talking heads telling me that I am responsible for the acts of a lawbreaker that broke the law 3 states over because I own an "assault weapon". I am tired of people expecting us to bleat like sheep in the face of aggression. I am tired of this me,me, me mentality where someone could have stopped and assault but didn't because their weapons was only for them or their family.
I wish that everyone that could, if in the same situation, would man up and kill the offender and do it with a passion, a purpose, that would make every single person that ever thought about it at least give pause. I wish that as Americans, we would all possess a warrior mentality were you knew you were dead went you intervened so that you could fight an attacker like you were demon possessed, that if all you had for a weapons was a straw in a cup full of coke, you would grab that straw with your thumb over the end of it and try to screw it through the offenders eye ball.
I'm tired of this wussy thought process of laying down and hoping that you wont get hurt, and that maybe the attacker wont see you.
Its not the way I was raised, its not the way I was trained and its not me.
Since you asked, there is my thoughts on it.
For those that would slam me for my opinion, thats OK, I dont expect most of you to understand it.
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