I have a question for Police Chief Daniel Oates

I have a question for Police Chief Daniel Oates

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    I have a question for Police Chief Daniel Oates

    I avoided the news coverage for the first several days after the carnage in Aurora, CO. simply because I knew what the talk would be as every slime ball anti-gun anybody would be sought out by our "unbiased" news media for comment.

    I did catch an interview yesterday with Aurora police chief Daniel Oates. Chief Oates spent the entire interview lauding his department and reporting what a terrific job everyone was doing and how he was so proud of this and of that. The interviewer lobed a few softballs to the chief that basically allowed him to expand further on how great everyone was working together. OK, I understand his desire to paint his folks in a very positive light. Now that twelve people are dead and scores injured, the chief and his crew are all over it... after the fact, and that brings up what I would like someone to ask the chief.

    "Chief Oates, since it is illegal in Aurora for a resident or a visitor to carry a concealed firearm legally in this city, and since it is also illegal to have a loaded firearm in one's vehicle, would it be accurate to state that due to the draconian gun laws here in Aurora that the most reasonable means a person has to protect and defend themselves, their family, or others from serious physical attack and even death at the hands of an attacker that is both a basic human and a constitutional right has been denied to your citizens?"

    Of course, we will never hear anyone ask Chief Oates that question. But the subject of that question is valid, and its often completely ignored in the aftermath of one of these shootings. I can't think of a single shooting that was not conducted in a location where it was illegal for the citizen to be armed.
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    Moving out of Aroura is the best defense there it seems.
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    "Chief Oates, since it is illegal in Aurora for a resident or a visitor to carry a concealed firearm legally in this city, and since it is also illegal to have a loaded firearm in one's vehicle, would it be accurate to state that due to the draconian gun laws here in Aurora that the most reasonable means a person has to protect and defend themselves, their family, or others from serious physical attack and even death at the hands of an attacker that is both a basic human and a constitutional right has been denied to your citizens?"
    References stating it is illegal to carry in Aurora or to transport in your vehicle?
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    Can somebody please explain why CCW's were not allow to carry at the movies? Was is a City restriction?

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKinNY View Post
    Can somebody please explain why CCW's were not allow to carry at the movies? Was is a City restriction?

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf
    While not prohibited by law, the owner of the theater have chosen to make their business a Free Victim Zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    References stating it is illegal to carry in Aurora or to transport in your vehicle?
    Here's one link. Aurora's Strict Gun Laws Didn't Prevent Shooting, But If One Law-Abiding Person In The Theater Had Been Carrying One... | CNSNews.com

    I also reviewed a lengthy on-line document listing the gun laws in all CO cities that contained that information regarding Aurora.

    I will provide more links if you are not satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHYDAH View Post
    Here's one link. Aurora's Strict Gun Laws Didn't Prevent Shooting, But If One Law-Abiding Person In The Theater Had Been Carrying One... | CNSNews.com

    I also reviewed a lengthy on-line document listing the gun laws in all CO cities that contained that information regarding Aurora.

    I will provide more links if you are not satisfied.
    You appear to have overlooked an important paragraph : "In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
    rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
    all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.

    The city of Denver has sued the state of Colorado over this preemption. Judgement is pending.

    Firearms Regulations in the 20 Largest Colorado Municipalities

    I know that Denver has managed some exceptions to State law on this matter through lawsuit, but I try to avoid that city, so I don't know what they've managed to implement re: infringing on our 2nd amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    References stating it is illegal to carry in Aurora or to transport in your vehicle?
    Here's another one. It appears Aurora thought it was its own little kingdom!

    http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/20...e-ignored.html

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    According to the state laws, you can carry concealed in any municipality. Im not sure about open carry in Aurora as far as I know only Denver denies open carry. I live in the same county as Aurora is in and obtained my permit from the same sheriff. State law and 2nd amendment supercede municipalities

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHYDAH View Post
    I believe San Francisco or one of the other ultra liberal cities in California has done the same thing but my understanding is that it doesn't over-ride state law and has not yet been tested in court. I think it's simply a feel good measure by the libs and wouldn't hold up in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadsnugun View Post
    You appear to have overlooked an important paragraph : "In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
    rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
    all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.

    The city of Denver has sued the state of Colorado over this preemption. Judgement is pending.

    Firearms Regulations in the 20 Largest Colorado Municipalities

    I know that Denver has managed some exceptions to State law on this matter through lawsuit, but I try to avoid that city, so I don't know what they've managed to implement re: infringing on our 2nd amendment.
    No, I didn't overlook it. There are ample examples of cities throughout the US run by (dare I say) socialists who have implemented their own laws, codes, policies that fly in the face of both state and federal law, not to mention the Constitution. Most get away with it until someone sues them and wins in court. Sanctuary cities comes to mind, as does "ruling" what foods you can sell, whether or not you can carry concealed, or, as in the case of NYC or Chicago, making obtaining a CCW so laborious and time consuming that no ones does.
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    Thanks for that fishenman, it must've been the open-carry thing that I was thinking about re: Denver. Welcome to the forum :).
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHYDAH View Post
    No, I didn't overlook it. There are ample examples of cities throughout the US run by (dare I say) socialists who have implemented their own laws, codes, policies that fly in the face of both state and federal law, not to mention the Constitution. Most get away with it until someone sues them and wins in court. Sanctuary cities comes to mind, as does "ruling" what foods you can sell, whether or not you can carry concealed, or, as in the case of NYC or Chicago, making obtaining a CCW so laborious and time consuming that no ones does.
    Still thinking State law supercedes and as such, contrary city ordinances can't be enforced in a court of law. They may be left on the books to intimidate or mislead the citizens, but would have no value in court.
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    I like your Steinbeck quote. I have friends who are LEO in Englewood or were former LEO and they have always encouraged me to carry. Im thinking there is some confusion about the rights of municipalities over that of the State here. I have never had any issues in Aurora or any other city in Colorado (except the open carry issue in Denver).

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    To the OP- why would you attack the police chief for laws (that may or may not be in place) that he has no power to change? He doesn't make the city ordinances, the city council members would be the people to approach with this question- not an employee of the city.
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