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    Odd Gun Control Editorial in "The Economist"

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    ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.”

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    Sounds as if he's ready to throw in the towel. That works for me.

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    If you want REAL entertainment, read through the comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    (Gun control) could have saved many people's lives and made the world a better place, but for which it is now probably too late ...

    (America,) where insane people have easy access to semi-automatic weapons, and occasionally use them to commit senseless atrocities. We will continue to see more and more of this sort of thing, and there's nothing we can realistically do about it.
    Tell that to the victims. The ONE thing that can help a person under an "upraised knife" is the ability to withstand that attack, right then, on the instant of the attack. NOTHING else will help at that moment. To presume all criminals will be disarmed by enacting statutes that only upstanding, law-abiding people will follow is absurd.

    In the long run, the only thing that'll stop producing so many violent criminals is improvement in economics, education and opportunity. In the short run, the only thing that'll stop violent criminals is the ability of each potential victim to withstand them. And to that end, it seems clear that gun control miserably fails to make a people safer by virtue of disarming potential victims and thereby making it easier for violent criminals to succeed.

    Warehousing criminals in "crime school" hasn't cured them of their violence. Perhaps an entire nation of capable, well-armed potential victims can.
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    Apparently, it's not difficult to make explosive devices. If there were no guns, the crazies would just build bombs to take out large numbers at a time. That's what they do is Israel, where any attackers know they would be out-gunned.

    It's not guns that are the problem, it's the people who wield them for bad purposes, and those kinds of people are born every day.
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    Explosives are easy to make and poisons gases are just as easy, mixing two common household chemicals will produce chlorine gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    Explosives are easy to make and poisons gases are just as easy, mixing two common household chemicals will produce chlorine gas.
    lets not start giving out recipes and giving folks ideas....

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    lets not start giving out recipes and giving folks ideas....
    No recipes from me but the problem is if someone wants to go that route they will find a way RE the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway some years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    Apparently, it's not difficult to make explosive devices. If there were no guns, the crazies would just build bombs to take out large numbers at a time. That's what they do is Israel, where any attackers know they would be out-gunned.
    Explosives are very easy to make. Or, perhaps not true explosives, but incendiary devices. Heck, the news tells you how to make them. Back at the time of the Murrah building bombing in OKC the news said exactly what was in the explosives used to destroy the building. A trip to Wal-Mart can get one ammo, sometimes firearms depending on your store. It can get you all the things you need to make meth or explosives. It can get you knives and other blades, or a bow and arrows. All it takes is a little knowledge and/or a cursory internet search from a public computer. Pay cash for everything and buy at different stores and there's not much to trace.

    It wouldn't be hard for anyone to create a large explosive/incendiary device, or make drugs. Who can argue which is worse? Firearms are fairly readily available to most anyone. But *anyone* can buy the necessary components for meth. What hurts our society more, firearms or drugs like meth? People will always find ways to kill themselves and others.
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    People who think that a society without private gun ownership constitutes some sort of violence-free utopia should check into the rampant knife violence in the UK. It's an eye-opener for sure.
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    Practically-Speaking This Is Correct:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dandyone View Post
    It's too late in a practical way: no one in government has much courage to begin with and with the NRA successfully targeting any elected official during their re-election with power and huge sums, no one will touch the slightest and reasonable modification of control/regulation through legislation. So, you have a mis-mash of states with sometimes "strict"-regulation sitting next to ones that allow any mystery-person to purchase as many handguns as wished at gun garage sales, which then flood into the neighbor state defeating its attempt to keep handguns away from criminals. And this is how it is. The extremists on either "side" of opinion call anyone who believes the Second protects legal gun-owners right-wing fanatics - and are matched by the opposite extreme which categorizes desire for reasonable precautions to ensure everyone's rights as fascists taking away everyone's guns.

    And the vast majority of sensible Americans middle of the road beliefs as evidenced in polls during the recent Heller/Supreme Court Opinion (that he Second A confers a right to own guns but that it should be regulated as all other rights in all other Amendments are) are ignored. And that vast middle ground, not being passionate like extremists, is quiet and lacks but occasional interest in the topic of guns to begin with.

    So, they too, being moderates, will not insist on reasonable regulations standard throughout the country as government reps will not insist out of fear.

    In short, for practical reasons the article is correct, for this time period at least.

    Too bad in my view (and no I am not a fascist who has even a slight desire to outlaw guns and confiscate them).
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    arsonists

    Lets not forget about them.

    I have become more of a Devils Island advocate. Career criminals are shipped to a place from where they never come back and be rid of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mc1911 View Post
    I have become more of a Devils Island advocate. Career criminals are shipped to a place from where they never come back and be rid of them.
    Bikini Atoll comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Bikini Atoll comes to mind.
    With an occasional weapons test to clear the field?
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    The only common sense gun legislation was written about 224 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
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    I have become more of a Devils Island advocate. Career criminals are shipped to a place from where they never come back and be rid of them.
    Bikini Atoll comes to mind.
    With an occasional weapons test to clear the field?
    Exactly. Of course, there's no fresh water source, and the only source of food is strange-tasting three-eyed fish with skin rash.

    A little sun, a little sand, a little extreme radiation poisoning, a few loud bangs now and then.
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