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    wisconsin gunbuster signs?

    assuming they are not in a school or government building do they carry weight of law? looked on doj but the verbage is hard to catch.
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    Yes it can land you in trouble. Wisconsin property owners must prominently display a No Concealed Weapons Sign at each entrance. The sign must be at least 5 inches by 7 inches and indicate that weapons are prohibited on the property. Signs must be posted near all entrances to the building where the restriction applies.

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    where are you getting this from? doj?

    all i can find is the info on the app.

    http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/...tion-11-11.pdf

    which states:

    While carrying a firearm, enters or remains in any part of a nonresidential building, grounds of a nonresidential building, or land that the actor does not own or occupy
    after the owner of the building, grounds, or land, if that part of the building, grounds, or land has not been leased to another person, or the occupant of that part of the
    building, grounds, or land has notified the actor not to enter or remain in that part of the building, grounds, or land while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm.
    This subdivision does not apply to a part of a building, grounds, or land occupied by the state or by a local governmental unit, to a privately or publicly owned building on
    the grounds of a university or college, or to the grounds of or land owned or occupied by a university of college, or, if the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in the
    parking facility, to any part of a building, grounds, or land used as a parking]
    i understand the sign is a notification, but is it recognized under these terms.
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    i'm not trying to be difficult, but do they really carry the weight of law? i can't find anything on doj. i know they don't in some other states.
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    Look under ACT35 The section of ACT 35 below refers to section 943.13 of Wisconsin statutes, which covers trespassing. A person who remains on the property after having been notified verbally or in writing that he can't be there is guilty of trespassing.

    Section 80. 943.13 (1m) (c) of the statutes is created to read:
    943.13 (1m) (c) 1. While carrying a firearm, enters or remains at a residence that the actor does not own or occupy after the owner of the residence, if he or she has not leased it to another person, or the occupant of the residence has notified the actor not to enter or remain at the residence while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. In this subdivision, "residence," with respect to a single-family residence, includes the residence building and the parcel of land upon which the residence building is located, and "residence," with respect to a residence that is not a single-family residence, does not include any common area of the building in which the residence is located or any common areas of the rest of the parcel of land upon which the residence building is located.
    1m. While carrying a firearm, enters or remains in a common area in a building, or on the grounds of a building, that is a residence that is not a single-family residence if the actor does not own the residence or does not occupy any part of the residence, if the owner of the residence has notified the actor not to enter or remain in the common area or on the grounds while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. This subdivision does not apply to a part of the grounds of the building if that part is used for parking and the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in that part.
    2. While carrying a firearm, enters or remains in any part of a nonresidential building, grounds of a nonresidential building, or land that the actor does not own or occupy after the owner of the building, grounds, or land, if that part of the building, grounds, or land has not been leased to another person, or the occupant of that part of the building, grounds, or land has notified the actor not to enter or remain in that part of the building, grounds, or land while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. This subdivision does not apply to a part of a building, grounds, or land occupied by the state or by a local governmental unit, to a privately or publicly owned building on the grounds of a university or college, or to the grounds of or land owned or occupied by a university of college, or, if the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in the parking facility, to any part of a building, grounds, or land used as a parking facility.
    3. While carrying a firearm, enters or remains at a special event if the organizers of the special event have notified the actor not to enter or remain at the special event while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. This subdivision does not apply, if the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in the parking facility, to any part of the special event grounds or building used as a parking facility.
    4. Enters or remains in any part of a building that is owned, occupied, or controlled by the state or any local governmental unit, excluding any building or portion of a building under s. 175.60 (16) (a), if the state or local governmental unit has notified the actor not to enter or remain in the building while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. This subdivision does not apply to a person who leases residential or business premises in the building or, if the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in the parking facility, to any part of the building used as a parking facility.
    5. Enters or remains in any privately or publicly owned building on the grounds of a university or college, if the university or college has notified the actor not to enter or remain in the building while carrying a firearm or with that type of firearm. This subdivision does not apply to a person who leases residential or business premises in the building or, if the firearm is in a vehicle driven or parked in the parking facility, to any part of the building used as a parking facility.
    Section 81. 943.13 (2) of the statutes is renumbered 943.13 (2) (am), and 943.13 (2) (am) (intro.) and 1., as renumbered, are amended to read:
    943.13 (2) (am) (intro.) A person has received notice from the owner or occupant within the meaning of sub. (1m) (b), (e) or (f) if he or she has been notified personally, either orally or in writing, or if the land is posted. Land is considered to be posted under this subsection paragraph under either of the following procedures:
    1. If a sign at least 11 inches square is placed in at least 2 conspicuous places for every 40 acres to be protected. The sign must carry provide an appropriate notice and the name of the person giving the notice followed by the word "owner" if the person giving the notice is the holder of legal title to the land and by the word "occupant" if the person giving the notice is not the holder of legal title but is a lawful occupant of the land. Proof that appropriate signs as provided in this paragraph subdivision were erected or in existence upon the premises to be protected prior to the event complained of shall be prima facie proof that the premises to be protected were posted as provided in this paragraph subdivision.
    Section 82. 943.13 (2) (bm) of the statutes is created to read:
    943.13 (2) (bm) 1. In this paragraph, "sign" means a sign that states a restriction imposed under subd. 2. that is at least 5 inches by 7 inches.
    2. a. For the purposes of sub. (1m) (c) 1m., an owner of a residence that is not a single-family residence has notified an individual not to enter or remain in a part of that building, or on the grounds of that building, while carrying a firearm or with a particular type of firearm if the owner has posted a sign that is located in a prominent place near all of the entrances to the part of the building to which the restriction applies or near all probable access points to the grounds to which the restriction applies and any individual entering the building or the grounds can be reasonably expected to see the sign.
    am. For the purposes of sub. (1m) (c) 2., 4., and 5., an owner or occupant of a part of a nonresidential building, the state or a local governmental unit, or a university or a college has notified an individual not to enter or remain in a part of the building while carrying a firearm or with a particular type of firearm if the owner, occupant, state, local governmental unit, university, or college has posted a sign that is located in a prominent place near all of the entrances to the part of the building to which the restriction applies and any individual entering the building can be reasonably expected to see the sign.
    b. For the purposes of sub. (1m) (c) 2., an owner or occupant of the grounds of a nonresidential building or of land has notified an individual not to enter or remain on the grounds or land while carrying a firearm or with a particular type of firearm if the owner or occupant has posted a sign that is located in a prominent place near all probable access points to the grounds or land to which the restriction applies and any individual entering the grounds or land can be reasonably expected to see the sign.
    c. For the purposes of sub. (1m) (c) 3., the organizers of the special event have notified an individual not to enter or remain at the special event while carrying a firearm or with a particular type of firearm if the organizers have posted a sign that is located in a prominent place near all of the entrances to the special event and any individual attending the special event can be reasonably expected to see the sign.

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    thank you. i was half way through reading that entire document. you just saved me some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty View Post
    i'm not trying to be difficult, but do they really carry the weight of law? i can't find anything on doj. i know they don't in some other states.
    Not being difficult at all. It's good to see that you want to know the do's and dont's. Be safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty View Post
    thank you. i was half way through reading that entire document. you just saved me some time.
    Glad to help, CCW is still new to us cheese heads and we are all still in the learning curve for both sides.

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    indeed. to be honest in light of recent events i wanted to know for sure. and now i know. can't "not notice" so i "won't patronize".
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    bummer about harbor freight. went there the other day. they are posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty View Post
    bummer about harbor freight. went there the other day. they are posted.
    Yes it's unfortunate I have one near me (Milwaukee) and loved it. I'm in Oshkosh often and was happy to see one open up in your town.
    And I'm with you
    I won't patronize either

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    you can still order from them online i suppose. the only place i disarm is my wife's job. (icu nurse at aurora). what do you do right?
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    Isn't interesting that Harbor Freight always has adds in the "rifleman " magazine.
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    That customer at Aldi's in Milwaukee who was licensed to carry still hasn't gotten his firearm back from the PD after shooting an armed holdup man. The store was posted, he didn't see the sign so I think he' s being deprived of his rights due to the trespass law. If that's the case Aldi's should buy him a new one. They owe him. Maybe he'll get it back after the case is closed but for the life of me I can't figure out what that has to do with the judicial process of charging, trying & sentencing of the bad guy.

    There's an Aldi's close by to me & one of these days I'll check to see if that store has a sign. I don't normally shop there, been there once but if they've posted I won't be going there a second time. It's close enough to a pretty rough neighborhood & I won't go there unprotected. I think ALL Aldi's are close to rough neighborhoods come to think of it.
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    Businesses in Wisconsin that post "no forearms" are by the law assuming some significant liability however. By posting they are taking full responsibility for your personal protection. If you should be assaulted and injured in a way that could have been prevented or mitigated thru your right to CC you will have a claim against that business. By allowing CC in their establishment they have immunity for any personal injury caused or related to the possession of a firearm. Any business considering posting should have a hear to heart discussion with their insurance carrier first.
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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