On duty jframe concealment?

On duty jframe concealment?

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    On duty jframe concealment?

    For starters I am an arson investigator, employed by a fire department with LE certifications. I am looking to conceal my jframe revolver as my BUG while on duty. Our department has strict uniform guidelines. Duty type police, fire, poly-cotton shirt, standard black trousers (2 front pockets, 2 back). 8" duty boots. It IS the same for our arson units as well but now we add the duty belt, Glock 22, extra mags, flashlight, CPR mask, baton, and cuffs. My back pockets contain personal wallet and department wallet, front pockets contain cell phone and keys. Ankle carry is not an option with boots and my calfskin are 22". Pocket carry I am not find of nor can I access it quickly with belt accessories. I also need it deeper concealment than a pocket..

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    Would a belly band be a workable option?

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    With uniform constraints carrying a J frame as a BUG may not be workable, although SmartCarry - Concealed Gun Holsters system may work depending on the fit of your pants. Have you explored something smaller, say a Ruger LCP or Kahr CM9?

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    If/when you wore a jacket you could use a shoulder holster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FirePolice22 View Post
    Ankle carry is not an option with boots and my calfskin are 22"
    It may not be how you want to carry, but boots aren't what is stopping you. There are plenty of ankle holsters that will work on lace-up boots.
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    Any consideration of a shoulder rig like this (Concealed Carry Holsters | Deep Conceal) underneath your outer shirt? yeah, it won't be as easy to get to, but you'll have it if necessary.

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    I'm assuming you don't wear body armor because there are a variety of options to attach something to the vest carrier.
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    Body armor is worn, when I am in uniform. I have not looked into or considered a semi auto bug. Bug will only be a close combat necessity, if I need to it will be pressed against an assailant and discharged. I want the reassurance the weapon will not be out of batterey and will discharge as many rounds as necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirePolice22 View Post
    Body armor is worn, when I am in uniform.
    Mika makes a vest holster that might work with your body armor. I don't know anything about it, but the Mika pocket holster is well respected.
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    Welcome to the forum.
    Just curious, do you come into contact with suspects? I guess the question I want to ask is, why do you need a gun doing the duty of an arson investigator?
    Showing my ignorance as far as fire/arson duties!


    Quote Originally Posted by FirePolice22 View Post
    For starters I am an arson investigator, employed by a fire department with LE certifications. I am looking to conceal my jframe revolver as my BUG while on duty. Our department has strict uniform guidelines. Duty type police, fire, poly-cotton shirt, standard black trousers (2 front pockets, 2 back). 8" duty boots. It IS the same for our arson units as well but now we add the duty belt, Glock 22, extra mags, flashlight, CPR mask, baton, and cuffs. My back pockets contain personal wallet and department wallet, front pockets contain cell phone and keys. Ankle carry is not an option with boots and my calfskin are 22". Pocket carry I am not find of nor can I access it quickly with belt accessories. I also need it deeper concealment than a pocket..

    Suggestions.

    Tips?

    100% new at LE carry or BUG carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirePolice22 View Post
    Body armor is worn, when I am in uniform.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Mika makes a vest holster that might work with your body armor. I don't know anything about it, but the Mika pocket holster is well respected.

    I tried a couple of different soft vest holsters and ultimately they just didn't work for me. Too hard to reholster if you had to disarm for a secure area. After some trial and error I got Oahi Modular Holster from Crossbreed. It's stuck to velcro on the side of my vest under my arm and the vest strap goes over it for a nice secure rig. Reholstering is a breeze due to the kydex. They also make a "Last ditch" holster made specifically for a vest but it's also only made for smaller guns, j-frame not included.

    I also carry the BUG on the strong side for a support hand draw in case the strong hand is disabled or busy doing firearm retention. A shirt with a concealed zipper (dummy buttons) helps aid that draw.
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    +1 for vest strap carry. Bianchi, Safariland, Desantis, etc. all have inexpensive nylon vest holsters. Based on your description, I don't see any other practical or comfortable way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockOclock View Post
    Welcome to the forum.
    Just curious, do you come into contact with suspects? I guess the question I want to ask is, why do you need a gun doing the duty of an arson investigator?
    Showing my ignorance as far as fire/arson duties!
    Arson investigators do everything cops do. They are detectives, they do have arrest powers, and they do have to fight with, contain, and arrest violent individuals. So the short answer is because an arson investigator is a cop in a firemans uniform.
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    I'm also from a jurisdiction where Fire Marshals (arson investigators) enjoy police powers, and are responsible for investigating arson crimes, arresting the offerders, and testifying in court. Arson IMO is a very very high stakes game. Often involving big money and very long sentences... even to the death penalty. Fire Marshals are not just firemen with gun's.

    I'm curious that your made to work in uniform. That must be tough working a scene. How do you ever do stake outs?, or tails?

    Anyway Every fire marshal I worked with always carried a second gun as did the regular cops. I'd recomend staying away from an ankle holster. They are notoriously slow on the draw, and expose the firearm to all manner of water, salt, sand, dirt, dust... what ever environment your walking in. The guys I worked with carried turn out gear in the trunk of their dept car.... to wear at a scene... I cant see wearing turn out boots or bunker gear over an ankle holster.

    Most of my cxareer was spent working plain clothes of one kind or another. Until I started wearing a vest every day I carried a J frame in an inside the pants holster. After I started wearing the vest I carried exclusively in a vest strap holster. It takes a little getting used to... but worked out fine for me.

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    Safety Pin a Blackhawk / Uncle Mikes Cloth Pocket Holster to your T-Shirt under your Uniform Shirt at the Belt line so the holster rests on your belt but, it's under your Uniform Shirt.

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