There is only one SOP 9 regarding this issue, the NYPD Firearms Discharge Assault Report. And it does not indicate ďthat officers who fired 2-3 shots in a gunfight died in the gunfightĒ. Please note that the term "gunfight" is somewhat vague in this discussion. For strict SOP9 considerations, a gunfight has to involve shots fired by both officer and perpetrator. IMO, a gunfight can include shots to defend against a perpetrator attacking with a knife, club, etc.
Are you referring to the SOP9 that indicated that officers who fired 2-3 shots in a gunfight died in the gunfight?
This really is an example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. First, the SOP 9 is NOT about officers that died in gunfights, it covers all firearms discharges by NYPD outside of training. Second, the study also breaks the shootings down by category. Suicides, accidental discharge, shooting an animal, self defense, etc. are all categorized independently.
Is it the same study that included officer suicides and accidental shooting deaths in the numbers that indicated officers only fired 2-3 shots and did I mention this study is about officers that died in gunfights?
It is one of many that I have looked at, but it is not the sole source of my findings.
Is that the study you are basing your claims on?
Then it falls outside the norm. Nothing I have said is in any way contradictory to that. NO PLACE have I said you will make any prediction with 100% certainly. That does not mean you canít make some predictions with a high degree of probability.
We can't claim the statistical mean is the only event(s) that will happen; the bell curve, the heart and soul of statistical analysis, also shows the probablity that other events might occur. What if "our" gunfight doesn't fall within one standard deviation of the statistical mean?
Again, no, I have never said that, so for you to keep bringing it up is somewhat dishonest, IMO. And you also keep distorting the SOP9. The SOP9 is still going on today, providing us with new information, and it is easy to separate non-gunfight numbers from gunfights. For example, the average number of shots fired by the officer in gunfights in 1991 (that is the copy that was handy for me to grab) is 3.7, while the average number from bad guys is 3.2. Please note that in this year the numbers were a little high, because one incident involved 45 shots by the officers during a barricaded suspect event.
Do you really believe that every gunfight will end in 2 -3 shots because the SOP9 study of some 30 years ago revealed that police officers that died in gun fights only fired 2 - 3 shots? AND don't forget those numbers include officer suicides and accidental shooting deaths which would certainly lower the average.
Again, NOBODY has said anything close to that, and for you to continually misrepresent it is not conducive to honest discussion. Either you fail to understand how predictive statistics work, or you are intentionally distorting what is said. Either way, it is wrong.
Even if 2 or 3 shots is the "average", which it isn't, but if it were, do we really want people believing that if they can fire 2 - 3 shots in a gunfight, it will be over and they will survive?
Perhaps you can direct us to one of these studies? IFAIK, the only numbers that get that high are (1) bunch shooting numbers, or (2) composite numbers of all shots by all participants (BG and GG numbers combined).
Later studies and analysis, indicate more like 6 - 8 shots are fired in LEO gunfights.
An executive summary for the NRA which looked at 482 civilian DGU reports between 1997 and 2001 showed that the average and median number of shots fired by the defender was 2.
I'm not sure anyone even knows what the average is for civilians.