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This is a discussion on What would you do? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by WHEC724 I don't recommend this, but since I happen to be fond of my vehicle, I'd get out the camera phone and ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    I don't recommend this, but since I happen to be fond of my vehicle, I'd get out the camera phone and do a photo-shoot of his progress. That might dissuade him. If he decides to leave, I'd let him.

    If he attacked me, I'd defend myself.

    I just have a hard time rolling over.
    Cell phone with video recording and a big smile on my face. No, I would also not draw unless he attacked or pulled a weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    You pull up to a convenient store and go inside for coffee. When you return an individual is in in your car attempting to steal it. You are not in any danger! Do you draw down on him/her or attempt less than lethal force? Or, do you let them take it and be a good witness?
    As long as I'm not in danger and none of my family is in the car, I'll call the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    In every state that I know of, you are not allowed to use lethal force to protect property. That being said, your under no obligation to just let them have it, though that may be the wisest (safest) course of action.
    In Texas, you can:

    PENAL CODE**CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY

    Texas Penal Code - Section 9.42. Deadly Force To Protect Property

    "...to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime..."
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    Unless there was a threat, I'd get some really good video on my phone, and probably hit the 'door lock' button on my key fob.

    I'm pretty sure that SC law won't let me draw a weapon to keep someone from stealing my car. Also, I wouldn't want to be responsible for cleaning the bits and pieces of the would be thief out of the upholstery after I've... kept him from stealing my car.
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    That is why I have good insurance. But I will admit I would be tempted to draw. I hope it would be my cell phone with camera or video to record.

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    Unless the vehicle is occupied, Utah law does not allow for using deadly force against a car thief. I would do what I could to stop the theft and have the BG wrapped up and waiting for the police to arrive.
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    You must offer him the keys,and if it is not full fill it with gas.
    try to stop him you will end up in jail in many places. Your weapon is not for propriety crimes and a lot of DA's can't wait to prove that to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    Unless the vehicle is occupied, Utah law does not allow for using deadly force against a car thief.
    If you look at it dispassionately, this is an interesting twist. On one hand, they are "relocating" a victim which usually means they intend to kill them. On the other hand, does the occupant pass the AOJ test allowing the alter ego principle?

    Even in terms of it being kidnapping, SD law typically says grave bodily harm, death, or sexual assault. Does this fit?

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    I'd take some pictures, but unless he presented a weapon for some reason or I had kids in the car I wouldn't draw. It's not worth it.. its just a car. Besides, in Michigan you can't shoot to protect property alone (nor would I want to).

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    I thought he was trying to run me over with that big heavy weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    If you look at it dispassionately, this is an interesting twist. On one hand, they are "relocating" a victim which usually means they intend to kill them. On the other hand, does the occupant pass the AOJ test allowing the alter ego principle?

    Even in terms of it being kidnapping, SD law typically says grave bodily harm, death, or sexual assault. Does this fit?
    By Utah law, the reason it fits is that if the vehicle is occupied when it is stolen, it becomes a kidnapping which is a forcible felony, and why it justifies deadly force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    As long as I'm not in danger and none of my family is in the car, I'll call the police.
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    Exactly. Phone pic is a good idea.
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    So is he like halfway in the window? You've got a cup of hot coffee, his pants are probably halfway down anyway, just sayin'.

    Otherwise, call 911 and get as much intel as you can.
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    Pray he TOTALS it!
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    Little over two years ago in Milwaukee a man walked out couple citizens were stealing the radio out of the car they had it out he fire a shot in the air.
    He went to jail 2 years sentence . Thief's did no time.
    However if you are in your car, Castle Doc allows you to treat it the same as your home. They are working on repealing that so keep up on the news .

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