SCAM! Over 600 Ohio weapons permits invalid

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    SCAM! Over 600 Ohio weapons permits invalid

    Fake training puts hundreds of concealed-carry licenses in jeopardy | The Columbus Dispatch


    More than 600 licenses allowing gun owners to carry concealed weapons in the Columbus area are invalid because three men issued falsified training certificates to the applicants, Franklin County Sheriff Zach Scott said.
    A months-long undercover investigation by the sheriff's office has resulted in felony charges against the men and 613 letters being sent to the people who obtained the certificates, which are required to apply for concealed-carry licenses.
    Scott told The Columbus Dispatch that more licenses could be affected as the investigation continues.
    Scott said that his office began its probe in April and used undercover agents to buy illicit training certificates from the operation, which relied heavily on word of mouth.

    The men arrested in the case were identified as 42-year-old Adam Chaykin of Columbus, 48-year-old Ken Fouch of Columbus and 62-year-old John Marshall of Madison Township. Each has been charged with one count of complicity to falsification to obtain a concealed-carry permit.

    They could face up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine if convicted. All three men have posted bond.
    Employment records show that Fouch is a Franklin County court security officer.
    Marshall, a certified firearms instructor, sold signed training certificates to Chaykin and Fouch, Scott said.
    He said that Chaykin and Fouch, who aren't trained firearms teachers, conducted sessions that also fell far short of the required training, which includes at least 10 hours of class time and two hours of range time. In some cases, they conducted no training at all but provided the certificates for $200 to $300.

    Most of those who got the certificates live in Franklin County but some are from neighboring areas.
    "Some of these people were probably duped," Scott said. Others, he suspects, "knew they were being shady."
    Those who receive letters from the sheriff's office will have two weeks to respond and show proof that they have taken the proper amount of training to carry concealed weapons. If they don't, their licenses will be revoked and they could be charged with providing false information on their applications.

    Through the first quarter of this year, more concealed-carry licenses have been issued in Franklin County than any other county in the state. Nearly 18,300 such licenses were issued since they first became valid in 2004.
    Combined, Cleveland's Cuyahoga County and Cincinnati's Hamilton County have issued about 20,000 licenses in that same time period.
    Scott's office issued about 3,500 licenses last year, the most ever and a 12 percent increase from 2010.

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    Why would anybody just want to pay for a license without getting the training that they paid for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKinNY View Post
    Why would anybody just want to pay for a license without getting the training that they paid for.
    - It's the same people who don't carry with one in the chamber.

    On a serious note, a possible one year in prison doesn't seem long enough.
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    It's the time old adage; Money is the root of all evil.

    Or better, the lack of money is the root of all evil.

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    Personally I think they should be charged for each and every fake training certificate they issued (600+ certificates divided by 3 defendants, 200+ counts each, for a possible 200 years each. Plus $500,000 in fines). Anyone who "bought" their training should be charged as well with 1 count.
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    Actually, money is not the root of all evil.

    It's "the love of money is the root of all evil".

    Big difference there.
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    Vermont has a foolproof system that completely eliminates the possibility of fraudulent concealed carry permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKinNY View Post
    Why would anybody just want to pay for a license without getting the training that they paid for.
    Maybe some of the people who bought these were already quite familiar with handguns and just didn't want to spend 10 hours out of their day in a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    - It's the same people who don't carry with one in the chamber.

    On a serious note, a possible one year in prison doesn't seem long enough.
    Oh no.

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    There may be a few "innocent" victims, but when I was looking for classes, I was well aware of the requirements. I heard of some that were less than 12 hours, and I'll admit that my hubby and son were less than thrilled that the class I chose took 13 hours (including travel to and from the range). Needless to say, they're thanking me now. ;)
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    I'm certain that I'm going to draw some fire for this but, part of the outrage here is that 10 hours of training and 2 hours of range time are necessary in the first place.
    Where does it state that in the OHIO Constitution?

    Oh...I'm sorry...it's Right There in the Ohio Constitution. How could I have missed it?

    Right To Bear arms

    The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; (as long as they pay for the required 10 hours of training and 2 hours of range time) but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

    1.01 Inalienable Rights (1851)

    All men are, by nature, free and independent, and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, (as long as they pay for the required 10 hours of training and 2 hours of range time) acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and seeking and obtaining happiness and safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    I'm certain that I'm going to draw some fire for this but, part of the outrage here is that 10 hours of training and 2 hours of range time are necessary in the first place.
    Where does it state that in the OHIO Constitution?

    Oh...I'm sorry...it's Right There in the Ohio Constitution. How could I have missed it?

    Right To Bear arms

    The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; (as long as they pay for the required 10 hours of training and 2 hours of range time) but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

    1.01 Inalienable Rights (1851)

    All men are, by nature, free and independent, and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, (as long as they pay for the required 10 hours of training and 2 hours of range time) acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and seeking and obtaining happiness and safety.
    You'll get no fire from me. That's EXACTLY the reason hubby and son didn't feel the need, but alas, rules are rules and I'll just leave it at that, so as not to take the topic elsewhere... ;)
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