This is a discussion on A year of stats on crime and CCW holders in texas within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Interesting how 31 of the 120 regard carrying where one is not supposed to carry, most likely a "forgot" moment. 20 are domestic violence of ...
Interesting how 31 of the 120 regard carrying where one is not supposed to carry, most likely a "forgot" moment.
20 are domestic violence of some kind, which will take them out of the CHL pool. And 13 are regular assault, which likely could be bar fights or other altercations where a weapon wouldn't be involved.
Most of the others are sex crimes of some kind... but only one of those is double-digit. I'd say that's pretty good for such a populous state.
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The question is did the have guns with them at the time, are they listed just because they have a chl?
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Those stats have nothing to do with if they were actually carrying at the time or not. It has to do with the fact that they report the crime to Texas Department of Public Safety Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau and it comes back that the individual is licensed. It's in the fine print at the bottom.
Texas CHL holders are obviously an outstanding bunch when compared to the general masses. The numbers don't lie! ;)
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it would make a difference in a sentencing process and let’s face it things happen to somebody but what the stats show is that a very large majority of us walk on the right side of the law.Originally Posted by bikermarine
Assault, sexual assault and domestic violence are easy charges to get. Accusations and very minor incidents will get you charged and some find it cheaper or just don't have the money to fight the charges... I knew a man that his niece accused him of sexual assault and she was under age. Lack of funds and plea barging he caved in. she accused him of TOUCHING she inappropriate.... just saying
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It should be no surprise that someone that has been vetted for past illegal behaviors, and found to not have any, would be more likely to continue those lawful behaviors than a population that has not submitted themselves to a background investigation. Having a permit means you were vetted by the government as to your proensity to be law abiding. It isn't the holding of the permit that makes us less likely to commit crimes. It is the investigation that showed we are not likley to commit crimes that results in the issuance of the permit. Falling into the less likely to commit crimes category was already determined as a result of the investigation.
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I would bet that there would be a LOT more people with permits in Texas if the cost wasn't so dang high. When I was there it was around $350 to get a permit.....
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From my years in statistical analysis in financial companies, the best (virtually only) way to predict the future is to look at the past. People with criminal records are most likely to commit crimes in the future. People with criminal records can't get CHLs, at least in Texas. Thus, it should be a no-brainer that people with CHLs are a group with low likelihood of committing crimes (at least crimes we're usually talking about).
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it actually about 250.00.... $140.00 for the paperwork ($70.00 for military and senior citizens) and a $100.00 for a class. if someone can't afford that then then how would they pay or be responsible for damages if they had to use that gun or is that a freebee? I like to think it weeds out the trash because if you can’t afford $240 but they have $500 for a gun and money for training they need to rethink their finances
What we need to do is make copies of this and every time someone puts up a 30.06 sign (gun buster) give them a copy and ask them why?
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I rarely, if ever, see a 30.06 sign. Maybe I'm not looking close enough, I'm bad about that. I see a lot of signs saying something like $10000 fine for carrying firearms without a license, and I disregard them. I don't frequent bars anymore, but I have occassionally seen a 51% sign (51% of revenues received from liquor making it illegal to carry for CHL holders).
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Take a look; this is a good web site to get a pre-look before heading out. The $10,000 fine signs are "BLUE" TABC signs and are for places that sell alcohol less than 51% reported to the TABC mostly off premises consumption like stop and robs
Texas3006.com - Your 30.06 Information Resource - Home
And you shouldn't have to look hard because the law says it has to be posted at every entrance in two colors and 1 inch lettering and clearly visible
That jumped right out at me too and I had the same questions!
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It is better to die with a weapon in hand than to live with hands raised. (Meir Feinstein, 1947) ...But is far better to raise your hands with a weapon in them and assume a classic Weaver or Isosceles (BenGoodLuck, 2007)
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If you are an unlicensed holder and you enter a place that sells alcohol (blue sign) it is a felony. If you are just carrying unlicensed and get caught is just a mister minor
If he is carrying in a posted place (30.06 or 51% sign) then he would be in violation of the lawAnd I am assuming that "UNL CARRY HANDGUN LIC HOLDER" is the "unlawful carrying of a handgun by a license holder." This raises a few questions -
As I stated in my other post, there are several other categories that show the crimes of carrying in prohibited places. That eliminates "carrying in a prohibited place" from the "UNL CARRY HANDGUN LIC HOLDER" category, as it is specified elsewhere...
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
So, if you can't afford $240 (or $350) for the training and permit... you don't deserve to be able to protect yourself and your family?
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap - ballot - jury - ammo
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie: deliberate, continued, and dishonest; but the myth: persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.”
-- John F. Kennedy
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Where did I say that? What I said is if you can't afford the $240 but be able to buy a $500 gun you need to look at the way you handle your expenses'
And second if you can't afford you spend $240 how are you going to financially responsible for damages if you have to use it? Are other people supposed to eat the damages because someone feels they have a right to carry a gun?
After all Texas law says you are responsible for damages done and I am sure other states do to
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