A year of stats on crime and CCW holders in texas

A year of stats on crime and CCW holders in texas

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    A year of stats on crime and CCW holders in texas

    I thought this was interesting and worth posting because it gives us a look into what crimes accrue by non CHL holders and CHL holders

    interesting look at the crimes and category’s


    Total offenses 63,679 crimes 120 by TX CHL holders 0.1884% of the total




    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL...Report2011.pdf


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    I'm kinda surprised it was 120 I actually thought it would be lower

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    What is the total population of TX, and the total number of CHL holders there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyColby View Post
    I'm kinda surprised it was 120 I actually thought it would be lower
    Always going to have a tiny percentage of folks that do things they shouldn't. 31 of the offenses were related to unlawful carry... carrying somewhere not allowed.

    Thanks for sharing, it's interesting data.

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    And I am assuming that "UNL CARRY HANDGUN LIC HOLDER" is the "unlawful carrying of a handgun by a license holder." This raises a few questions -

    1) If you are a license holder, what constitutes unlawful carrying (there are several other statutes about carrying where prohibited, where posted, etc).

    2)If this is unlawful carry by a permit holder, how come 35% of the people convicted for it are NOT license holders?

    Ah, I love the law... :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    What is the total population of TX, and the total number of CHL holders there?
    CHL; we are right at around 500,000

    population is 25,674,681 (does not include illegal aliens)

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    If any other states area available please posts them; I love to see how we compare

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    I think the unlawful carry by a license holder when not listed as a prohibited place or some other specific location related thing might be while intoxicated.
    The license holders that are not included in CHL holder group could be folks carrying under a reciprocity agreement as opposed to having a Texas CHL.
    I will have to look for some population figures but the Houston metro area is about eight million people.
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    Mostly looks like assaults and carrying where they shouldn't be. No big surprises.

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    If it is 500k, and the population of TX is in the neighborhood of 25 million, that would mean that CHL holders account for 2% of the population, but account for less than 0.2% of the convictions. Yeah, not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    CHL; we are right at around 500,000

    population is 25,674,681 (does not include illegal aliens)
    according to those numbers then, and assuming that every charge on that list was for a different individual (highly unlikely) this means that .24% of texas citizens without chl's committed a crime last year, while .024 of chl holders did. a difference of .8%. so non chl holders are 8 times more likely to commit a crime.

    next year however they will not likely be on the chl side should they re-offend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fausty View Post
    according to those numbers then, and assuming that every charge on that list was for a different individual (highly unlikely) this means that .24% of texas citizens without chl's committed a crime last year, while .024 of chl holders did. a difference of .8%. so non chl holders are 8 times more likely to commit a crime.

    next year however they will not likely be on the chl side should they re-offend.
    Well, that's not exactly how those numbers shake out, but it's in the ball park. And yeah, it's a self-correcting problem - CHL holder gets convicted, he's not going to be in the CHL holder column next year!
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    If you take out nonviolent/non-felony charges, the number drops dramatically.
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    The total population of Texas includes infants, first graders, people in a coma, etc. This amounts to identifying how many people in Texas have a Discover card and then how many of those were arrested for disturbing the peace and then thinking a relationship can be inferred from the resulting numbers. At the least, no crimes should be counted by anyone not of an age required to get a permit. It feels good to look a these numbers but it is weak to use them to make much of a point. We know that CCW permit holders are less likely to commit crimes. I would like to see real population selection done so that the numbers could at least be defended.

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