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    Need Michigan help

    I have a CCL from Wisconsin and I was in Upper Michigan for the weekend. I didn't want to do anything wrong, so I emailed the casino and asked if they were conceal friendly. They replied no, so I left my weapon in the motel room. When I got there they had NO signs anywhere on the premises.
    QUESTION, How is a person to know if a business in Michigan is friendly or not. They don't seem to have a sign posting ordnance like Wisconsin.
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    Casinos have been deemed off limits by the state see http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

    I'm pretty sure if it is not on that list, you are fine. If you have any other questions call the Michigan State Police.

    Apparently no gun signs do carry the weight of law in Michigan. I never knew that before since I have never seen one, and when I took my CPL course they never covered it.

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    Thanks for the quick reply. I just think it weird that unless you check state law, you don't know. A lesson learned.

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    Anyone traveling should be checking the passing through or stopping states laws before making the trip. It could very well keep them out of trouble and lots of unneeded hassles.
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    Casinos are definitely off limits in Michigan. As far as signs, I lived in Michigan for 22 years and I had never really seen any.

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    I just read handgunlaw.us and see the reason to read the laws before I go anyplace else. This was my first trip outside of WI since getting my CCL. Next time I will check for sure.
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    Yes Michigan signs don't hold weight in normal businesses. You are only in violation when the owner or an employee of a store is posted "no-guns" asks you to leave. If you don't then you are trespassing.
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    The casinos in Michigan are Indian property and off limits.

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    Some casinos in Michigan are Indian property. All are off-limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec View Post
    Yes Michigan signs don't hold weight in normal businesses. You are only in violation when the owner or an employee of a store is posted "no-guns" asks you to leave. If you don't then you are trespassing.
    I never thought they did hold the weight of law until I read this on handgunlaw.us. I have never seen one in Michigan before but according to them, signs do hold the weight of law.

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

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    I would strongly advise you to use handgunlaw.us, usacarry.com, etc. as an initial resource but not as an authoritative one. Go to the respective state and read what they say the law is. Here is Michigan's layman site and here is Michigan's Firearms Laws Summary.

    Michigan Firearms Laws

    Michigan Legislature Firearms Compendium

    Michigan Prohibited Places

    Not sure I agreee signs having the force of law in the concealed carry context. A closer look at the law and the http://www.handgunlaw.us/state/states/michigan.pdf link shows that signs do not have the force of law except to say that signs if not followed can cause one to be charged with criminal trespass. From the handgunlaw.us pdf: "If you choose to ignore any such reasonable notice, then you become a trespasser rather than a business invitee. Trespass can be punished as a crime and/or in civil court, and could affect your CPL licensing status."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzorn View Post
    I just think it weird that unless you check state law, you don't know. A lesson learned.
    That's always the case. If uncertain, always check. Keep current. If traveling, definitely take considerable time to get familiar with an unfamiliar state's regulations and ramifications of getting it wrong.

    It's an unavoidable part of the responsibility of carrying ... knowing all the crazy laws, exceptions, changes.

    As for Handgunlaw.us, remember that it's only a start. The state's going to be relying on the statutes, not summaries posted elsewhere. Food for thought, as mistakes/typos do happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    That's always the case. If uncertain, always check. Keep current. If traveling, definitely take considerable time to get familiar with an unfamiliar state's regulations and ramifications of getting it wrong.

    It's an unavoidable part of the responsibility of carrying ... knowing all the crazy laws, exceptions, changes.

    As for Handgunlaw.us, remember that it's only a start. The state's going to be relying on the statutes, not summaries posted elsewhere. Food for thought, as mistakes/typos do happen.
    Exactly. Just ask former Marine Ryan Jerome when he used handgunlaw.us as an authoritative source.

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    MSPolice website is your friend, when it comes to Carrying concealed.

    MSP - Michigan's Concealed Pistol Law - FAQs


    This is from a link at the right of the posted pagelink above : Pistol Free Areas MSP - Pistol Free Areas

    Pistol Free Areas
    Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:


    Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

    Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

    Sports arena or stadium

    A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

    Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

    An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

    A hospital

    A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

    A Casino


    "Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.



    A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed. The following penalties may also be imposed:


    First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
    Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
    Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked

    Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

    "Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."



    If you cannot find the answer you need, contact them, and they will resolve your issue i a matter of days.
    I have done this in the past and they have officers there to deal with question, and if they are fuzzy on it , they will go to the Attorney Generals office for clarification.

    Here is the main firearms info page for the MSP.
    http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7...654---,00.html
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    This list is a pretty good list of places to avoid in Michigan.

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