Carry and Indian Reservations

This is a discussion on Carry and Indian Reservations within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by scott_g Nope. FAIL. The very first humans to enter and settle North America were NOT "Native Americans" because they weren't even from ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott_g View Post
    Nope. FAIL. The very first humans to enter and settle North America were NOT "Native Americans" because they weren't even from here. Go review your anthropology...
    Hi Scott;

    Since no one was around to witness and record the populating of the North American continent this philosophical debating of semantics isn't required. We've all had the politically correct term "Native American" rammed down our collective throats for the past quarter of a century and all understand what is meant by the term. It isn't necessary for you to grade forum members "pass or fail" nor school them to review themselves. In your twelve posts to this thread you've used both "Indian" and "Injun;" terms which also can't be said to correctly describe the original human inhabitants of the North American continent. Despite the fact that they were NOT actual Indians we grasped your meaning.

    Your many posts in this thread makes it obvious that you have a "bee in your bonnet" about Indian reservations. Perhaps you would be better off seeking an "Indian Reservation Discussion Forum" somewhere. You might want to cool it a bit here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    We've all had the politically correct term "Native American" rammed down our collective throats for the past quarter of a century
    And, "guns are bad" has been rammed down our collective throats for even longer. But, under the guise of "political correctness", that makes it all okay, right? Yeah, that's the ticket...

    Perhaps you would be better off seeking an "Indian Reservation Discussion Forum" somewhere.
    Read the TITLE of this thread, which I did not start. If you're going to attack me for using the term "Indian", why don't you also go after the OP who first used the term and everyone else who used it?

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    Scott,

    I do believe that you weren't attacked for using the term Indian, but rather your correcting the term "Native American" for Indian when they are both incorrect by your own logic since according to you they aren't native here (which according to the accepted theory of human migration, we should all be africans anyway) and aren't indians becasue Columbus was lost.

    So we should call them "Skraelings" which was what the Vikings named the members of the First nations when they discovered the Americas
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    I can't wait till we get to the part about the American Indians actually being one of the lost tribes of Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott_g View Post
    And, "guns are bad" has been rammed down our collective throats for even longer. But, under the guise of "political correctness", that makes it all okay, right? Yeah, that's the ticket...


    Pgrass's reply suffices nicely for you, Scott. I especially like the "Skraelings" bit.


    Read the TITLE of this thread, which I did not start. If you're going to attack me for using the term "Indian", why don't you also go after the OP who first used the term and everyone else who used it?

    Why? Because I don't have to. I have no problem with either "Indian", "Injun", or "Native American". Or "Skraelings" either for that matter. Due to my upbringing I have a proper measure of respect for the people those terms are generally understood to describe. The only issue here is you being the "pot that's calling a kettle black." Your attempt to "correct" a member over such a triviality is unnecessary and uncalled for.

    Pointing out your obvious inconsistency for correcting someone using the term "Native American" while you used another traditional but technically incorrect term and its derivative should not be considered an attack. You would recognize an attack if you saw one however we don't attack each other here on the Forum.

    You would be wise to quit while you are ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    I can't wait till we get to the part about the American Indians actually being one of the lost tribes of Israel.

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    Gettin' a little off topic here, eh?

    Here's the answer: Tribal law only applies to those who live on the reservation.

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey2011 View Post
    Yeah, sovereign nations whose citizens receive funding from federal and state governments.
    and thats where I'll stop before I go to banned camp.


    I can't speak for other states, but from what I've heard in MN its bad juju to carry on the reservations. I'm not saying I agree with it or that I think its right. buy PERSONALLY I'll err on the side of caution on that one.
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    err on the side of caution
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey2011 View Post
    Gettin' a little off topic here, eh?

    Here's the answer: Tribal law only applies to those who live on the reservation.

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf
    That's not all of it... Ain't that simple.

    Tribal Law only applies to those who live on the Reservation. If you are carrying a firearm with a permit/license that is valid in the state the reservation is located in that permit/license may not be valid on the Reservation. They will most likely take the firearm and tell you that you can go to Tribal Court to get it back.

    Handgunlaw.us recommends before carrying on any Reservation that you actually talk to those in charge and preferably get something in writing that your permit/license is valid on their reservation. Otherwise keep it unloaded and secured in your trunk or locked box in the back of a vehicle that does not have a trunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott_g View Post
    That's not all of it... Ain't that simple.

    Tribal Law only applies to those who live on the Reservation. If you are carrying a firearm with a permit/license that is valid in the state the reservation is located in that permit/license may not be valid on the Reservation. They will most likely take the firearm and tell you that you can go to Tribal Court to get it back.
    Here in AZ, they will also seize your vehicle... and your only recourse is tribal council (good luck with that) or possibly BIA action (chances are roughly between slim and none.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood View Post
    I was watching a show about the Navajo Police. I understand you cannot have a Loaded Gun on the Reservation. If I were to go to Arizona on Vacation and I was out driving, do the Public High-Ways go through the Reservation? Would it be a big pain to carry out there If I were going to the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, and other National Parks? How do the Locals handle traveling around these areas? I would probably drive there from Ohio.
    I'm an AZ CCW holder.

    According to my instructor, it is legal to carry if driving through reservation land, but not if you stop. If you stop you are subject to the tribal law which may or may not allow for concealed carry.

    Of the places you mentioned, the south rim of the Grand Canyon is state land and should be safe, but the Havasupai reservation at the western end of the canyon is definitely not. The north rim is also reservation (I think Navajo), but I don't know the law there. Monument valley is reservation (Navajo or Hopi iirc).

    We're a pretty gun friendly state, I'd say.

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    Over the years I have talked to Local, State and Federal Law Enforcement and have gotten a zillion different answers. One Federal LEO who worked near a Reservation told me, when I find out how the laws work to let him know as no one he works with knows how the laws work between the Reservation and the rest of the state. It is not really a gray area but a BLACK Area.

    The one thing I have heard more than anything else and this is not law but on how it works many times. A person found with a firearm and the Tribe doesn't like it they take the firearm and escort the person to the edge of the Reservation and kick them off. They never get their firearm back. If the person was carrying in violation of the state law the Reservation is in they contact the local police and have them come and arrest them for carrying without a permit/license etc.

    As for the roads through Reservations I have heard it stated by Officials both ways. The Tribal law does apply to those areas and others state it doesn't. In some states Tribal Police are sworn Officers in the state the Reservation is located in and not just Tribal Police. Some are not. Does Tribal Law apply on the State and US Highways going through a Reservation? I don't know and it would take a team of Lawyers to figure it out case by case.
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    Unfortunately, I suspect that you have 100% correct information :(

    Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slider View Post
    Over the years I have talked to Local, State and Federal Law Enforcement and have gotten a zillion different answers. One Federal LEO who worked near a Reservation told me, when I find out how the laws work to let him know as no one he works with knows how the laws work between the Reservation and the rest of the state. It is not really a gray area but a BLACK Area.

    The one thing I have heard more than anything else and this is not law but on how it works many times. A person found with a firearm and the Tribe doesn't like it they take the firearm and escort the person to the edge of the Reservation and kick them off. They never get their firearm back. If the person was carrying in violation of the state law the Reservation is in they contact the local police and have them come and arrest them for carrying without a permit/license etc.

    As for the roads through Reservations I have heard it stated by Officials both ways. The Tribal law does apply to those areas and others state it doesn't. In some states Tribal Police are sworn Officers in the state the Reservation is located in and not just Tribal Police. Some are not. Does Tribal Law apply on the State and US Highways going through a Reservation? I don't know and it would take a team of Lawyers to figure it out case by case.

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    I will add that a few Tribes state right in their ordinances that a state permit is valid on the Reservation. I see this the most in Washington State Tribes. There seems to be no gray area with these few tribes. But in the vast majority that even mention Carrying firearms they say they have to have "an Official OKl" to be able to carry. Who issues that Official Permit/License? Is it the Tribal Judge or Tribal Police Chief? Does that mean a state issued permit/license to carry? I don't know. Some do say the Tribal Judge or Tribal Police Chief must issue the permit. Many do not.
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