September 17th, 2012 06:31 PM
You guys are crazy... I'd be all like BAM BAM. Would've used my super fast cheetah reflexes to hit 5 major pressure points in .45 seconds. As he's falling to the ground I will then take both of my .44 magnums out of my shoulder holsters (looks cooler that way), spin them around my fingers like a boss, say some sweet pun, and BOOM BOOM.
Then I would check my surroundings, assessing the situation and trying to see if any hot chicks just saw that as I light up a cigarette and make a Clint Eastwood face.
Ghladiator... that sounds terrifying. What could you have done even if you did have a gun though? Considering there were two of em pointed at you....... f that. I hope that guy didn't get caught because he left a witness, or if he did, he never gets out.
September 17th, 2012 06:47 PM
well I was always told they want your money not your life, so when approached, take your wallet out and TOSS it away from you, thats what they want anyway, when they go for it Run or take cover, OR whatever, Thats how my wife was trained, she just wasn't fast enough to get away from me.........
September 17th, 2012 06:52 PM
In terms of justified use of deadly force - the moment the BG points a gun at me, it's justified. It's no longer a matter of defending property or life -- BG has the means, has the opportunity, and has put me in jeopardy.
The only common sense gun legislation was written about 224 years ago.
I carry always not because I go places trouble is likely, but because trouble has a habit of not staying in its assigned zone.
September 17th, 2012 06:58 PM
Hello, new member and I happened to stumble upon this thread.. first hello.. love this forum... lots of informative posts and people on here...
Now, I found myself in a similar situation.. not exactly similar though.
I was picking up my now wife from BurgerKing. She was the closing manager, there had been a string of casino hold ups in the area. I had one of those gut feelings. Anybody here I'm sure will agree that you don't argue with your gut.
We were walking out the back door after she set the alarm(lucky for us). As soon as she opened the door, she stopped cold but she was in the way so I couldn't see why.. I heard a voice and since she was in the line of fire, had to back up, as the person was saying to do.
Once inside, he allowed the door to shut.. all I needed was a distraction.. in 10 seconds from our movement inside setting off the alarm... I got that distraction... he had a bad night...
I had a worse one because the cops thought it odd I stayed so calm and took him out.. they thought somehow I was in on it.
Truth is that I had years of martial arts training..and was a martial arts instructor..
My gf's/wife's freaking out and the alarm were a big help that night. It makes me thankful I trained hard like I did/do, and
I'm sure that being proficient and calm would go a long long way in this situation. :thumbup: (the situation posted by the Op)
It was definitely unsettling to look down the barrel of that gun... even worse when he pointed it at her the second before the alarm went off...
September 17th, 2012 07:08 PM
I'm not leaving my fate solely to the discretion of a crackhead. Give them what they want, then they shoot you. I'll comply up to a point where I can go on the offensive and the cards will fall where they may. If it is my time, so be it.
Know Guns, Know Safety, Know Peace.
No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
Guns are like sex and air...its no big deal until YOU can't get any.
September 17th, 2012 07:30 PM
I don't carry cash, and there's more in my wallet than a debt card. No, the thug may not have it. I carry a gun for a reason, and giving some punk my entire wallet isn't it.
Originally Posted by Bill340
September 17th, 2012 07:31 PM
The idea is that he looks at the wallet, then back at you. When he looks back at you, you've pulled a Ruger out of your hat...
Originally Posted by ArmyMan
He leaves your wallet and his dinner on the sidewalk and runs through the wall, leaving a BG shaped hole in the wall like Wile-e Coyote
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap - ballot - jury - ammo
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie: deliberate, continued, and dishonest; but the myth: persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.”
-- John F. Kennedy
September 17th, 2012 07:33 PM
I'm going to give him my wallet,If you watch the videos of actual armed robberies the criminals usually get very lax in their gun control when they think they have the upper hand and I'm physically disabled with really bad balancing problems so H2H is out but they may even drop their guard even lower when robbing a weaker more defenseless person than when they are trying to rob somebody they feel could out fight them ,it takes probably at least 1/2 to 1 second to respond to a movement and shoot,if he drops his guard long enough to allow me to draw and shoot from retention he is going to have a bad day.
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
September 17th, 2012 07:39 PM
The idea being that I keep my sensitive items secure, hopefully killing a punk in the process. I'm not ever going to retrieve my wallet for him to look at. I'll retrieve my gun.
Originally Posted by livewire
I don't want him to run. I need him to be facing me when I shoot him so that my self-defense claim holds up under investigation. That and a moving target is harder to hit.
September 17th, 2012 08:34 PM
Too many people honestly think they'd be able to draw and fire accurately on a close attacker in a situation where they have the drop on you, so much so that it makes me wonder about some gun owners.
Being a gun owner or concealed carrier requires intelligence, and many have it. Many know when and when not to get involved/draw, and plenty are cops and ex-military who have the proper training.
You need situational awareness and intelligence to figure it out.
September 17th, 2012 08:38 PM
A google search for "Draw against the drop" site:defensivecarry.com: Draw Against The Drop (DATD).
Originally Posted by tcox4freedom
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos)
NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.
September 17th, 2012 08:44 PM
Your most effective weapon is your brain, use it to your full advantage.
No amount of property is worth the risk loosing your health / life if it's avoidable.
I think, therefore I am...
September 17th, 2012 08:52 PM
The "action" is his perceiving resistance, deciding to fire, and actually pulling the trigger. A lot can happen in that amount of time. Your counterattack must be sure, viscious, and fast - disrupting his OODA loop.
Originally Posted by OldVet
Having a pocket gun means you can already have the gun in hand - if you see the trouble coming. If not, it is rather easy to feign compliance while drawing your gun instead of your wallet. Add some hand-to-hand skills and distractions, and you might have a decent chance.
There is also the fact that 6 of 7 people shot with a handgun survive (according to the doc's lecture that was posted on this forum last week). I'll take those odds - better than taking a bullet to the back of the head execution style.
A lot will depend on the situation, as others have said. If you "feel" the punk will take the money and run, that might be the best option. But if you have any sense otherwise...
The more good folks carry guns, the fewer shots the crazies can get off.
Glock 30, 19, 26; Ruger SP101, LCR, LCP (2), Mini 14; Marlin 336 .30-30; Mossberg 500
September 17th, 2012 08:55 PM
All situations are different and it is hard to say what one will actually do. If I thought my life or the life of a loved one would be in danger I would react accordingly. If already drawn against, I would probably play possum.
September 17th, 2012 11:37 PM
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