What Should You Say (or Not) to Police at the Scene If In a Shooting?

This is a discussion on What Should You Say (or Not) to Police at the Scene If In a Shooting? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by sdprof It's been said (but not necessarily verified) that cops involved in shootings don't have to make a statement for 24 hours. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    It's been said (but not necessarily verified) that cops involved in shootings don't have to make a statement for 24 hours. Why should it be different for the rest of us?
    No one ever has to make a statement to the police.
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    "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law" with that being said talk to experienced lawyer before you say a word

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    I am not going to say: I was in fear for my life. Too trite and rehearsed sounding. What I'd probably say is: That #@%*$# tried to kill me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by detective View Post
    "I was in fear for my life and had to stop a lethal attack on me. I will cooperate fully in the investigation and now want to speak to my attorney."
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    I think the OP nailed it. I hope to say: "I was in reasonably fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm to myself and I want to speak with my attorney" That's it. In this situation I am ignoring what my Mama told me (that Police are your friends) and following the advice of my CCW instructor, a Detroit Police Officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ping.brady View Post
    Per Massad Ayoob:

    1. Point out attacker
    2. I will sign the complaint
    3. Point to evidence
    4. Point to witnesses
    5. Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an attorney



    ^^^I would hope^^^^^^^^^

    Should the situation ever arrise, I would have the presence of mind to be in this camp here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ping.brady View Post
    Per Massad Ayoob:

    1. Point out attacker
    2. I will sign the complaint
    3. Point to evidence
    4. Point to witnesses
    5. Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an attorney
    My CHP class was taught by two retired Detectives. ^^^This^^^ was what they instructed us to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ping.brady View Post
    Per Massad Ayoob:

    1. Point out attacker
    2. I will sign the complaint
    3. Point to evidence
    4. Point to witnesses
    5. Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an attorney
    This, as repeated by many. People under extreme stress have a tendency to run off at the mouth before their brain engages. Especially when involved in this sort of trauma. Depending on where you are, and when, you may be treated as the perp and read your rights. Limit your responses to "yes" or "no" (when possible) and don't offer any information above who you are and the very basic details of what happened. "He/she/they attacked. I defended. If read your rights, decline to waive them and ask to speak to your lawyer.

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    First call is to 911.
    Second call is to my attorney, I have his home phone, cell, office, etc..... I just hope he answers. LOL

    If I don't get him, ...... best judgment at the time, but I'll also be asking any witness names , etc. that saw it all go down..... so my attorney can also talk to them when and if necessary................ and saying very very very little.
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    i have been told and heard it in my CHL class that the first thing you should do is tell them you have chest pains and need to get checked out at the hospital, it will give you some time to cool off and think before you speak... like saying "i got that MOFO"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2slow04 View Post
    i have been told and heard it in my CHL class that the first thing you should do is tell them you have chest pains and need to get checked out at the hospital, it will give you some time to cool off and think before you speak... like saying "i got that MOFO"
    What if you don't have chest pains? Not a good idea to fib out of the gate. And you have all the time in the world to cool off. You don't need to speak. You don't need to make excuses to exercise your 5th amendment rights.

    My silly previous post aside, I'd probably shut up after lawyering up.

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    If someone else hasn't already called 911, you need to be the first person who calls the police. YOU need to identify yourself as the victim and you defended yourself from an attacker. Stay on the phone, stay calm and explain the situation.

    If a bystander is the first to call police, they might say there's a man with a gun who just shot somebody.
    If the attacker is the first to call police, he/she would probably say a man with a gun just shot me.

    Obviously, the second and third options would bring you nothing but trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ping.brady View Post
    Per Massad Ayoob:

    1. Point out attacker
    2. I will sign the complaint
    3. Point to evidence
    4. Point to witnesses
    5. Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an attorney
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    Re "Sign the complaint": I'm not clear on what he means by this, Sign the Police Complaint against you or sign the complaint against the assailant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ping.brady View Post
    How do you find a 'pro A2' attorney? I tried getting contact info for someone in my area (northern CO), but didn't' get very far. Guess it would be nice to at least have contact information in the horrible event one had to defend their life
    SD won't be an actual specialty of many attorneys because of the infrequency of such incidents. But asking your regular lawyer, if you have one, for a reference for a top Criminal Attorney, familiar with SD cases, might be the way to go. Best to pay for a consult and if he seems knowledgeable ask if you can call him if the unusual need arises.

    Far as keeping one on retainer, could be a double-edged sword, like a bank official keeping on retainer a legal specialist in embezzlement related to banks.

    "Um...., Mr Rogers, any particular reason you have on retainer an attorney specializing in the crime you were just charged with?"
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