This is a discussion on How would you argue this? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by limatunes Tell him that if he were to take a basic pistol class they would teach him that, "All guns are loaded ...
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This. Combine with the Tueller drill. Might get your point across.
My father has made leaps and bounds learning about firearms and the reasons for carrying them with one in the pipe.
He used to be against it and now he understands the concept.
Next time you're in a situation where you can (safely) handle your firearm... place your loaded cocked pull-the-trigger-and-it-goes-bang pistol on the table (obviously pointed in a safe direction) and ask him if its going to go bang without being touched. (He should say something along the lines of "no") then place it in a proper holster that completely covers the trigger and ask him the same question again. (Once again he should say "no") and then dont say another word about it and go back to doing what you were. Let his mind do the work.
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Other than having him go through the act of drawing, loading, racking the slide and firing (using snap caps) while timed, there is nothing you can do.Really? Are you willing to bet you life that you can draw, rack the slide, aim and fire at someone running at you with a knife, before they reach you and plunge it into your chest? That isn't a bet I'm willing to take.I can understand not carrying chambered, but never completely unloaded.
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Whatever it is that you train to deal with quickly and competently, that method can be a reasonable one. If you're effective at being able to bring an unchambered gun into battery, then you might well not experience much of the downside of the gun being incapable of initially firing. If on the other hand you believe you're capable of avoiding or withstanding a disarm or misfire, then you might well be better off having a chambered gun. YMMV. Whatever works best for you, via training to be competent with the gun in that condition. Pros/cons either way, depending on your point of view.
Myself, I prefer chambered, and I accept the risks attached to that.
I carry "unloaded" all the time...
The gun is loaded, I'm not...
However, I have found that an unloaded firearm would make a unique "bud vase" for any vehicle... Just hot glue it to the dash... voila! a useful bud vase... a useless gun!
And tell pops that it would be even safer to carry if he removed the firing pin,
or, If carrying a pistol, he could remove the slide and carry that weak side as well...
Wait... some jurisdictions consider a loaded magazine a firearm... he better unload the mag as well...
In California, when they used to be able to carry, unloaded... they called it the 2 second carry...
In Illinois where it has to be unloaded, and mag separate, they call it 6 second carry.
The Israelis carry unchambered... But they drill for it.. a lot...
I think your dad is misinterpreting what the instructor said... or taking too literally something he said...
Give up with the argument... you're free and +21... let dad carry his way... you can carry the right way.
It could be worse!
Carry your weapon around field-stripped. No sense in scaring anyone with a fully-assembled firearm that isn't ready to be fired, anyway. Plus, if you practice, you can put the slide on the gun in just a couple of seconds. Obviously seconds don't matter, so why not?
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I carry in my purse most of the time. Does he really think I have the seconds to pull my gun and take the safety off AND load the darn thing.
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You don't argue it, you carry your way let him carry his.
i wouldn't argue it, he seems set in his belief that.its unsafe to carry chambered. i would just hope he never needs to use his ccw.
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WOW.....I sure hope you Dad does not fuel up the car before a drive.....That COULD be dangerous.....Hell, the car could start itself with fuel in the tank.....unloaded......WOW
Last edited by neverenough; October 16th, 2012 at 02:08 PM. Reason: needed another WOW....