This is a discussion on How would you argue this? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SIGguy229 I'm sorry....I'm not buying the "no loaded weapons in Iraq in 2003" story....I was in Iraq in 2003...March until June....and then ...
Simply all I want out of this forum is a bit of respect on how i choose to handle a firearm that is in my control. If that is far too much to ask then I am truly in the middle of a RAMBO 5 movie set coming on here. I suggest you go back and read my posts first and then see my responses to the replies...then and only then can you have a clue as to how high my horse is...get it? Either that or continue to jump to conclusions. It is now your time to pick one! What will it be...humility or arrogance?
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I am of the opinion that anyone who is not comfortable carrying a weapon that is ready for instant defense, shouldn't be carrying at all. This demonstrates a level of insecurity about ones own protocols for safety, and a lack of understanding of the function of a firearm. As such, this makes that person a dangerous candidate to be in the possession of said firearm.
For the record, the CCW class I took insisted that an unloaded or unchambered gun is nothing but a blunt object, so you might be better off open carrying a hammer on a tool belt in terms of being able to respond quickly. It can be argued that if you have 3 seconds to prepare your gun for combat, that in a civilian self-defense scenario, that you are more than likely about to commit a murder rather than defend your own life. Yes there are scenarios where perhaps this isn't true, like a shooter in a mall, etc, but look at the vast majority of scenarios that happen fast and violently...
Just my personal opinions folks, YMMV...
lizjimbo - I hope all works out well for you in your decision. I really do. But as for me, I am going to follow my path and that path is to be ready to draw, and while drawing flick off my safety (which I really didn't want but was on the gun that was available for trade that I wanted more than the gun I traded for) and being able to double-tap immediately into the threat. I do believe that not carrying loaded and one in the chamber is a higher risk than I am willing to take and has a higher risk than an ND or AD. That is my belief.
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Yes, I am more likely to be involved in a "in your face" confrontation, than one in a mall or some such. Muggings and the like happen more frequently than mass shootings such as occured in Colorado. A mugging, or the like, is also the type of threat that would require the fastest response, and is less likely to alow one the time and/or ability (one hand) to chamber a round, much less load and chamber a round.
Agreed, if you have 3 seconds, chances are you could have gotten the heck outta dodge. Even with a stand your ground law in place, it is a better day when you can return home having hopefully learned something, and not having to deal with the weight of possibly killing someone or the legal ramifications that could ensue after.
In my opinion, you are far more likely to jam the gun when trying to rack a round under duress as well (assuming you even have both hands free). People that carry an unready gun seem to assume that they will perform flawlessly under stress, which I do not understand. Do this in front of a BG, and you're toast. He isn't going to wait for you. Would you if the situation was reversed? If I saw someone pull a gun on me, then fumble with it, I'm all over them within a fraction of a second, or, if equipped, I'm sending a shot of my own.
Two words... Teuller Drill.
Don't just tell him about it. Set it up and do it with him. It's one of the simplest drills to set up and perform... and one of the biggest eye openers.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
He died because he was careless, carried a firearm W/O using a holster, and then somehow put his booger hook on the bang switch.
Sad that he is a poster child for a holster, but nevertheless that is what he is
You can carry however you wish, just don't think that those of us who carry with a round chambered are wrong for not understanding your beliefs.
People here are not condemning you for your position, they are,for the most part trying to get you to gain additional training and knowledge.
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IMHO it plays into the fallacy of "just because I have a gun I'm safe" thinking. If the BG has the "drop" on you do you honestly think that you can draw & fire faster than he can pull the trigger? Let alone draw, chamber THEN fire. Heaven forbid I have to draw, load, chamber & fire!
That is a lot to do in a situation that is more likely to happen-attempted mugging, assault, or being involved in a local armed robbery attempt, or even a night time home invasion type scenario (half asleep trying to load and QUIETLY chamber a round. Don't let TV fool ya, the sound of a gun being cheered will not drive off a burglar, especially an armed one it'll just make them start shooting)
You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, "I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along." . . . You must do the thing you think you cannot do. Eleanor Roosevelt
...leads one to believe you really don't know how to carry a defensive firearm--and that in your "experience", keeping a round in the chamber leads you to believe one is paranoid:Originally Posted by lizjimbo
Not paranoid--prepared. Some food for thought:Originally Posted by lizjimbo
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While situational awareness can probably stop something before it starts, sometimes you don't get a vote...the bad guy ALWAYS gets a vote.
I highly recommend you seek training and not fear an inanimate object.
So what's it going to be? Ignorance and fear? or Training and confidence?
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martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
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