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This is a discussion on Deadly force encounters involving the Ruger LCP within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Gaius I respectfully disagree. Having a gun that goes bang is a good start, but what happens after the bang will determine ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Having a gun that goes bang is a good start, but what happens after the bang will determine the outcome of the encounter. You cannot shoot fast enough to make up for a miss. Some SD pistols are far more amenable to accurate shooting than others, especially when you take trigger pull, sight radius etc into consideration.
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    There is nothing wrong with any caliber... some are better than others for killing a man... but there are many instances where no shot is fired... the mere presence of the gun stops the crime.

    Finally.... sight radius has little to do with killing a man in a gun fight... I posit that if you have the time and distance to focus on your sight in a gun fight... you probably are not in immediate/imminent danger of death or grave bodily injury... there are many who disagree...

    Those interviewed after adrenaline filled training exercises have most often said... "I didn't even think about the sights..." specifically after tueller drill scenarios.
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    I am in the corner with oakchas....In most self defense encounters, you will be at "point and shoot" range and won't be worrying about sight radius. As far as accuracy goes, if you can't hit a BG, that's withing 21 feet or less ,by just pointing and pulling the trigger, then you need some serious training and I do mean SERIOUS TRAINING..

    As for some pistols being more amenable to accurate shooting than others, then again I submit to you, that even a slingshot will be accurate in a "close" encounter, therefore brand and caliber should become irrelevant as long as YOU are capable of hitting the target. Once again, this is where training with the particular weapon comes into play. With training comes becoming accustomed to the trigger pull, recoil, and getting back on target. So, train train train....

    Now, I will concede, that RELIABILITY will enter into the picture. So with that in mind, I would encourage one to be "picky" when it comes to your self defense weapon, be familiar with it's operation, and ensure that whatever your carry ammo happens to be, that you've put enough rounds through the weapon to know beyond the shadow of a doubt that it will feed, fire, eject, and cycle reliably. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdp751 View Post
    If you're thinking about getting a 380 I presume you already know that is the least acceptable cartridge for self-defense, but with today's modern ammunition if you choose the right pistol they can be quite effective, in my opinion what you should be looking for is, 1 reliability 2 being accurate 3 the longest possible barrel will give your bullet more energy more power and having a longer barrel will also usually increase your sight radius which will increase your accuracy quite a bit. If you decide on a 380 you are already at the lowest end don't make it lower by choosing the wrong handgun. If it was me I would probably be looking at the bersa
    the .380... is it less desirable than the .25 or the .32... or the .22?

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    To the ignorant amd misinformed souls in the Press, all handguns are "Glocks" and all rifles are "assault weapons". ;)
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    I recall seeing a thread on here, the contents I don't recall; but I do remember that the author had basically done no gun research on his piece and referred to an LCP, which was pictured in the article, as a "Sturm, Ruger & Co .38".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesters Dead View Post
    To the ignorant amd misinformed souls in the Press, all handguns are "Glocks" and all rifles are "assault weapons". ;)
    What are shotguns? I'm thinking "assault rifles". My Mossberg 500 Persuader looks scarier than a lot of black rifles I see.

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    48 Hours Documentary (LCP .380)

    This seems to be an old thread, so I'm not sure if anyone will read this. I was bored on a Sunday a few weeks back and watched 2 episodes of 48 Hours back to back. Both stories featured a Ruger LCP. The first one was a home invasion. The perp shot the home owner three times and he died on the scene. The next story was a jealous husband confronting the guy screwing his wife in a shoe store parking lot. He shot the boyfriend once in the chest and the guy died on the scene. The LCP is as deadly as a gun as a Glock 9mm full size. It is what I would call a "10 foot gun" due to the short barrel and accuracy. For a self defense handgun, this will get the job done, no problem. Plus with it's small size and ability to put it anywhere on your body it is the #1 choice. I've had one for several years and use it as a summer carry. I've shot it at the range and have put probably 50-75 rounds through it. Zero malfunction. I would recommend this gun to anyone. Make sure you get some Hornady Critical Defense .380 rounds....these feed well because of the design of the bullet and have great expansion and penetration. Hope this is what your looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtguns88 View Post
    ...story was a jealous husband confronting the guy screwing his wife in a shoe store parking lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtguns88 View Post
    The LCP is as deadly as a gun as a Glock 9mm full size.
    It certainly can be as deadly - dead is dead, after all. But the greater weight and velocity of 9mm gives it a better chance of penetrating vital organs, damaging the spine, and not bouncing off of heavy bone.

    Not that a small 380 is not a good weapon for defense, but there are reasons why 380 isn't a preferred LEO or military caliber currently.
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    If you are going to carry a .380 there are two rounds I would seek out for it, well with a caveat. One of the rounds is the Lehigh Defense "Extreme Penetrator" and the other is pretty much any round sporting the "XTP" bullet. It's been tested and tested and both of these rounds are very effective penetrators in standard FBI ballistics protocol. I carry a .380 and a .32 daily and trust everything to both. IMO, having a gun that you practice with and will carry every day trumps any caliber concerns. Again, that's just my opinion and how I approach my carry needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtguns88 View Post
    This seems to be an old thread, so I'm not sure if anyone will read this. I was bored on a Sunday a few weeks back and watched 2 episodes of 48 Hours back to back. Both stories featured a Ruger LCP. The first one was a home invasion. The perp shot the home owner three times and he died on the scene. The next story was a jealous husband confronting the guy screwing his wife in a shoe store parking lot. He shot the boyfriend once in the chest and the guy died on the scene. The LCP is as deadly as a gun as a Glock 9mm full size. It is what I would call a "10 foot gun" due to the short barrel and accuracy. For a self defense handgun, this will get the job done, no problem. Plus with it's small size and ability to put it anywhere on your body it is the #1 choice. I've had one for several years and use it as a summer carry. I've shot it at the range and have put probably 50-75 rounds through it. Zero malfunction. I would recommend this gun to anyone. Make sure you get some Hornady Critical Defense .380 rounds....these feed well because of the design of the bullet and have great expansion and penetration. Hope this is what your looking for.
    Don't base your choice of a gun on what script writers says. Remember, they are concerned with selling a product (the script) not with facts and truth.

    These are the same guys who can tell a bullet caliber by the size of the entrance wound. How many times have you seen TV cops state the person was shot with a 9mm just by looking at the entrance wound when 9 Mak, .380, 9mm, .38 and .357 bullets are almost identical in diameter.
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    Deadly force encounters involving the Ruger LCP

    I like my Ruger LCP . If I ever need to engage it in a SITUATION. I'll have my fingers crossed. I trust my LCP to go bang when I pull the trigger, but not really sure of what the bullet will actually do ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    If you are going to carry a .380 there are two rounds I would seek out for it, well with a caveat. One of the rounds is the Lehigh Defense "Extreme Penetrator" and the other is pretty much any round sporting the "XTP" bullet. It's been tested and tested and both of these rounds are very effective penetrators in standard FBI ballistics protocol. I carry a .380 and a .32 daily and trust everything to both. IMO, having a gun that you practice with and will carry every day trumps any caliber concerns. Again, that's just my opinion and how I approach my carry needs.
    You jumped ship! I thought you were advocating the "Extreme Defense". Larger wound channel, more optimal penetration, feeds better...


    PS- the video with Gramps shooting in the internet cafe was a Taurus TCP, but I can't find where I read it. He got the job done, but I'm not even sure if he hit any of them. It sure didn't impede them running like dogs if he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtguns88 View Post
    It is what I would call a "10 foot gun" due to the short barrel and accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennydale View Post
    I like my Ruger LCP . If I ever need to engage it in a SITUATION. I'll have my fingers crossed. I trust my LCP to go bang when I pull the trigger, but not really sure of what the bullet will actually do ?


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    Depends on which bullet you use. Don't underestimate a .380. They're fine for most civilian encounters and a trust my life to a .380 with the right ammo most days. I was at the range yesterday and at 5 yds I am as accurate as I am with the Shield (3-4" groupings). 7yds a little less but definitley adequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sogrsr View Post
    I was wondering if anyone on this forum is familiar (and could possibly provide a link) with any news stories or write-ups dealing with any deadly force encounters involving a concealed carrying individual w/ an armed subject, while carrying a pocket 380 pistol, namely the LCP? I know this gun is one of (if not the) most popular CC pistol, and I was curious about seeing the practicality of the gun in an actual confrontation. Thanks,
    I just noticed you were new to the forum, welcome. Here is some data you may find interesting showing different calibers effectiveness in one shot stops, average number of shots to stop a threat, lethality etc. While I'm certainly not saying a .32 is more effective than a 9mm (even though the data appears to show that), I think it shows that people are way too preoccupied with caliber and that placing your shots, whether it be an LCP or GLock 19, is paramount.

    An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association

    Coincidently, this article was written by Greg Ellifritz, Mike1956's buddy that wrote the article debunking the 8 best carry guns under $400.
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