Head of a Wisconsin group wants concealed carry records made public

Head of a Wisconsin group wants concealed carry records made public

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    Thumbs down Head of a Wisconsin group wants concealed carry records made public

    "It's really hard to do a fair assessment," said Jeri Bonavia, of the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort. She objects to the secrecy surrounding who has a concealed carry license.

    As for what's next, Bonavia said her group will continue to push for public access to the names of license holders.
    Wisconsin's Concealed Carry Law marks first anniversary | News - WISN Home

    In the above article Nik Clark said his organization(Wisconsin Carry) wants to bring what's called "constitutional carry" in Wisconsin. That allows law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons without any kind of permit. Only four states allow full constitutional carry now.

    My thought..... Regardless of the many issues over making these records public Jeri Bonavia fails to take into account the criminals would also have access to know who possibly has weapons. This will more than likely cause a rise in home break ins in hope of "scoring" weapons.

    Don't we already have far too many(false safety) laws on the books that do nothing to stop crime/violence/shootings.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    "It's really hard to do a fair assessment," said Jeri Bonavia, of the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort. She objects to the secrecy surrounding who has a concealed carry license.

    As for what's next, Bonavia said her group will continue to push for public access to the names of license holders.
    Wisconsin's Concealed Carry Law marks first anniversary | News - WISN Home

    In the above article Nik Clark said his organization(Wisconsin Carry) wants to bring what's called "constitutional carry" in Wisconsin. That allows law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons without any kind of permit. Only four states allow full constitutional carry now.

    My thought..... Regardless of the many issues over making these records public Jeri Bonavia fails to take into account the criminals would also have access to know who possibly has weapons. This will more than likely cause a rise in home break ins in hope of "scoring" weapons.

    Don't we already have far too many(false safety) laws on the books that do nothing to stop crime/violence/shootings.......

    I fully disagree with you. Jeri Bonavia knows very well that the criminals will know where to break in. She is counting on the 'indimidation factor' and this is probably the key push behind her 'need' to make us all safe. She hopes to discourage people from wanting a CCW/License exactly because they would be 'outed'. It's punishmet for those who are honest enough law abiding citizens for getting a license.
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    The very reason it is concealed is because I don't want every Tom, Dick, and harry knowing I carry a gun. If I wanted everyone to know I would open carry.
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    In the two incidents that she is concerned about, it wouldn't matter if the perps had a permit or not ( not likely ). Typical ANTI, grasping at straws to support their position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    "It's really hard to do a fair assessment," said Jeri Bonavia, of the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort. She objects to the secrecy surrounding who has a concealed carry license.

    As for what's next, Bonavia said her group will continue to push for public access to the names of license holders.
    I believe that folks who push for such things have their heads jammed up, on the issue.

    Seems to me that ability of LE to investigate material evidence wherever it leads already equates to anti-violence efforts.

    By comparison, efforts to force prior divulging of a person's non-criminal status equates more to increased potential for prejudice against citizens in advance of any hint of criminality (let alone conviction), as if having been through the background-check sieve is tantamount to being a criminal.

    Typical mindless, fearful, "anti" approach to skirting the fringes of symptoms and avoiding the root cause.
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    I'll go one step further. Not only does she want potential CCW holders intimidated, she actually wants homes broken into and the guns used in violent acts. Its the way the hard core progressive mind works. Sure, break ins would be "bumps in the road" and deaths "would not be optimal" but if they advance her cause of getting society to finally accept that she and her ilk have the answer to all of life's problems. We are the problem, if only we were as enlightened as they are and see it. Remember Rahm Emmanuel's thoughts about the Gabby Giffords shooting? “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste". "It was too bad she got crippled, but hey, we can bring up gun control again! Woo Hoo!"
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    A couple questions for the "anti-violence" group come to mind:

    1. To what use are you going to put such knowledge of licensure that law enforcement isn't going to do?
    2. What effective limitations will be in place to preclude your misuse of such knowledge?
    3. In advance of criminal conviction for some crime related to use of that firearm, what possible inference can be made about licensure of upstanding, law-abiding citizens?
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    It's against state law to release such info except under certain circumstances in Florida. You need to press your state legislator to do likewise. Here's a copy of the FL statute prohibiting such releases that you can forward to your elected reps and request the same protection.

    FL Statute 790.0601 Public records exemption for concealed weapons.—
    (1) Personal identifying information of an individual who has applied for or received a license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm pursuant to s. 790.06 held by the Division of Licensing of the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. This exemption applies to such information held by the division before, on, or after the effective date of this section.
    (2) Information made confidential and exempt by this section shall be disclosed:
    (a) With the express written consent of the applicant or licensee or his or her legally authorized representative.
    (b) By court order upon a showing of good cause.
    (c) Upon request by a law enforcement agency in connection with the performance of lawful duties, which shall include access to any automated database containing such information maintained by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.
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    My willingness to allow public disclosure of CC licensees hinges on passing a law that also discloses the names of people not licensed to carry but are carrying anyhow. Can't do that? Well then...
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    More "punishment" for the law-abiding citizens. Why is it that CWL holders are villainized by these people? The fact that we're in a database somewhere for our permits means that we are law-abiding citizens. We're the ones trying to do the right thing. It's just typical liberal garbage that calls good things/people bad, and bad things/people good, and sets out to punish the easy targets instead of addressing the real issues.
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    In Iowa, our newspapers take it upon themselves to publish lists of permit holders and renewals... No one has broken into my house to steal my guns.

    IMO, 99% of criminals are too stupid to think that CCW holders may have guns in the house. If they (the criminals) were that smart, they would never rob a home with a CCW permit holding resident, they might get shot. If they (the criminals)think their smart, they probably think that the CCW holder has a gun... one gun... and it's on him/her... it's not in the house... So, if they take the time to "case the joint," they're likely to wait until the permit holder is gone before going in.

    Do I want to see these permit holder's names published..? No. Is it any benefit to public safety? No, again. It's unnecessary, and I doubt it sells any papers. The local papers don't advertise "Concealed Weapon Permit holder's issue coming this Sunday, don't miss it!"

    So, who sees "the list"? Well, if it's a Sunday issue, all the coupon clippers would probably ignore it... Criminals won't spend the extra money to actually READ something. The sports fanatics will probably miss it, too... The little old guy or gramma that reads the paper everyday from front to back... they might read it.. but they probably read all the legal notices, too. Chances are these old folks who read the paper every day... a nearly extinct breed... are law abiding citizens who might wonder why all these people need to carry a gun... "Things aren't THAT bad, are they?"

    All of that said... I don't like the fact that some states feel that the information is public record... and that some press outlets think it's their duty to report this triviality. I'd like to see the information sequestered in Iowa, as it is in Wisconsin, for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post

    My thought..... Regardless of the many issues over making these records public Jeri Bonavia fails to take into account the criminals would also have access to know who possibly has weapons. This will more than likely cause a rise in home break ins in hope of "scoring" weapons.

    .......
    That is the point, SHE WANTS YOU DEAD. No I am not trolling. Quite truthfully, I believe these anti freedom do-gooders want you and people who think like you to die.

    This time, disregard my signature, this sounds harsh, and I mean it to sound harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Hawkeye_ View Post
    That is the point, SHE WANTS YOU DEAD. No I am not trolling. Quite truthfully, I believe these anti freedom do-gooders want you and people who think like you to die.
    Really? Nah... they just want to stop violent crime... and they don't know any better... The don't want you to die.

    They have never been victims of violent crime... and if they know someone who has, they remember that there was a gun involved. That's all they remember... that's all they know.... guns are evil... If no one had guns.. .no one would get shot... but that cat's already out of the bag... we all know that if guns are outlawed the criminals will still have them... But they think that the criminals will turn 'em in, too...
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    I wonder how she would feel if the permit holder info was made available to individuals who go through a process to request it, and made it illegal to publish the info? Then, they also keep a database record of all people who requested the information. This way, anyone targeting gun owners could be identified from the list of people who know who the gun owners are. Or maybe publish this list of nosy people who are prying into our personal lives?

    But that would probably be an infringement on the nosy people's rights, right? ...Right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Really? Nah... they just want to stop violent crime... and they don't know any better... The don't want you to die.

    They have never been victims of violent crime... and if they know someone who has, they remember that there was a gun involved. That's all they remember... that's all they know.... guns are evil... If no one had guns.. .no one would get shot... but that cat's already out of the bag... we all know that if guns are outlawed the criminals will still have them... But they think that the criminals will turn 'em in, too...
    No, I believe that these people want people who stand up for themselves, who dont rely on governmental aid, and who are strong willed, removed from the gene pool. I have seen people like this in my homeland, and have seen what they do when they get power.
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