Wa State CCP map

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    Quote Originally Posted by firecrackerktm View Post
    I lived all over the state from central to eastern to western and back again. I loved the whole state and would move back again. Never had a problem with ccw.
    How about open carry?

    Now, are you from around here and had to move for a job, or are you just a "migrant" of sorts, moving around the country following employment opportunities (and there's nothing wrong with that, of course)? Us Northwest natives get a little provincial from time to time. The biggest gun control advocates in Washington come from somewhere else, or from Seattle with an education and degree from somewhere else. There must be something going on there, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    May I ask how you support 2A? Seriously think about that question as it's one we should all be asking ourselves as Americans. Would that be where it counts (with a vote or donations to the NRA)?

    By the way yes even liberals are invited to the WA DC get together! haha
    Dont condescend to me. I support it in many ways, publicly as well as privately.

    I am more Libertarian than anything probably....why dont you take another look at my signature (the middle one) again.

    And I came from NJ....back in '87. I was never taught that guns were good or bad....very neutral upbringing and community. My sister and husband and kids are into guns in NJ....another that grew up and made up her mind for herself. Also a 'liberal'.
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    From the other thread on this subject, a couple of days ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    Once again, the percentages arent realistic. That % takes into consideration *total population of that community, while only adults over 18 may carry, and convicted felons cannot, and there are other people that are legal residents that are not necessarily eligible for permits. For all I know, illegal immigrants are included in those numbers...because illegal or not, we know the general numbers on those people so that we can predict needs for public services, schools, etc.

    (*At least I didnt read anywhere that the % were adjusted for 'eligibility.')
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    I didn't see the "other thread" on the subject - but percentages and statistics are almost always skewed or easily misinterpreted. When I showed the map from the link on this thread to my wife, I mentioned the total number of permits in WA (about 370k according to the article) compared to the population (around 6.8M) - and reminded her that this includes everyone - so although it looks on the surface that about 1 in 20 (rounding considerably) people have a CPL in WA, that isn't actually true.

    There are about 1.7M people who are aged 0-19, and almost another 100k who are 20 - so suddenly its practically 1 in 10 people who are 21 and over that have a CPL. Then you can take the population of the Seattle metro area (about 3.5M) and all of the sudden - the whole state appears armed (except Seattle).

    I guess my point is that it's very easy to misinterpret facts - and even easier to skew statistics, and mislead people - whether intentionally or not.

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    Wa State CCP map

    It would be interesting to see what the percentage is of the population of eligible people. Remove from the total too young, felons or in prison, medical issues that prevent etc. the 1 in 20 could be higher.


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    I looked it up - there are only about 50k convicted felons (without voting rights) in WA - so it wouldn't affect the statistics much.

    Those numbers I mentioned before I got off a government population statistics website....so it really is about 1 in 10. But then if you figure women are less likely to get a CPL, and elderly people are less likely to get a CPL....all of the sudden it changes the dynamic quite a bit. But those are just assumptions!

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    Re: Wa State CCP map

    Also consider the number of people here who carry without a permit. In WA, the penalty for carrying without a permit is a $25 citation without confiscation. Many people consider that an acceptable risk to stay 'off the list'

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    Dont condescend to me. I support it in many ways, publicly as well as privately.

    I am more Libertarian than anything probably....why dont you take another look at my signature (the middle one) again.

    And I came from NJ....back in '87. I was never taught that guns were good or bad....very neutral upbringing and community. My sister and husband and kids are into guns in NJ....another that grew up and made up her mind for herself. Also a 'liberal'.
    You never answered the question, instead you danced around it. The question was very simple and should not offend anyone who supports 2A. Would love to know how if it's not with votes, or supporting the NRA or ILA. I am always out to learn other productive ways to support our rights. Read your post which is #11 on this thread, you called yourself a liberal not I. Now all the sudden you are a "Libertarian". Did you mean Liberaltarian by chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    You never answered the question. How do you support 2A?
    I think the contributions from both of you to this forum alone speak to the fact that you're pro-2A, let's not get into a urination match over who's the 'most' supportive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire View Post
    I think the contributions from both of you to this forum alone speak to the fact that you're pro-2A, let's not get into a urination match over who's the 'most' supportive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    This has nothing to do with who is most supportive. I asked a simple question and no posting on this website does not do anything with regards to supporting 2A.
    You can, however, learn a lot about someone from the content of their posts. I would say from my knowledge of both her and you that you're on the same side, and the tone of your post won't do anything to help further the positive outlook we're trying to convey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWorkman View Post
    Well, I wrote about this in my on-line Examiner column here and here, the latter mentioning how many people are now licensed to carry in WA state.

    The sheriff's departments, particularly in western WA seem to be overwhelmed with applications and renewals. It's rather busy with the election coming up, and yes, there does appear to be a correlation.

    Halsne did a decent job on this, and I happen to know that he worked on it for quite some time. That map analysis is a real piece of work, and the most astonishing drivel that was posted in response had to do with the supposition that many people who live in the Seattle area work somewhere else and vice versa, as if that had anything to do with the basic premise of the report.

    I presume a fair number of posters here are familiar with my book 'Washington State Gun Rights and Responsibilities' and what I do for a living. IMHO, Halsne's story did a service, and I sure can't say that about many news stories. As a card-carrying member of the working press, you don't see many stories like this and frankly, that map explains a great deal about the politics in WA state.

    One can't blame it all on an influx of Californians. Sure, Washington has been "Californicated," but we've also greeted people from:
    New Yawk
    New Joisey
    Taxachusetts
    and some places in between that have grown generations of people who think guns are the province of police and perps, and that honest citizens should need licenses and registration cards.

    I talk to people from all over the place who seem stunned we don't need an 'FOID" card to own a gun, or permission from the government to buy a gun.

    Washington is a great place, but too many people have moved here and decided they wanted to change it to be just like where they came from. I have a supply of road maps for them so their return trip is not encumbered by getting lost.
    Dave,

    I personally love your work! Thank you for everything you do here in WA. There is no doubt you are a positive influence and have done quite a bit of education in your support of 2A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aus71383 View Post
    That's a cool map - thanks for sharing.

    I recently waited 48 days for my CPL renewal in Thurston County - I called and complained to the Sheriff's Department (despite my wife's pleas to not make a big deal of it) and reminded them that state law says "shall issue within 30 days" - they said the Sheriff is aware of the problem, and complain to the County Commissioner if I wanted to....also some stuff about it being an election year, and the fall is when everyone applies, etc....

    I guess when the Sheriff's Department can't process all the applications in time to be in compliance with the requirements for the state law - that is a good kind of problem to be having.

    .....and WA is a very weird mix of people!

    Austin
    Took me about the same time in Thurston county. Was upset because a coworker did one with Lacey PD as a nonresident and got his in 6 days. I figured my resident permit should come faster than his nonresident.


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    Nice of them to publish a map so BG's can choose the less armed sections of town for their next crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    Yes indeed WA is a weird mix of people. It's basically two liberal cities and everyone else. Sometimes it amazes me how good our gun rights are in this state. Heck we just passed law last year to legally own and shoot suppressors. I am thinking about organizing a local DC meet and greet some time if I can get enough interest.
    Count me in! I'm in the Kirkland area and the sheep on this side of the pond are almost as blissfully ignorant as they are in Seattle (almost, but not quite). To quote Clint Eastwood, "they all walk around with that 'just pumped the neighbor's cat look on their faces'." You can spot the sheep from across the parking lot....
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