[oakchas]

You realize how insane that bolded statement was/is, right? How it does include veterans, people in the military, the elderly, anyone collecting social security/medicare/whatever? It's just a really, really dumb statement to make.

The bolded statement was a sarcastic quote of a statement made by one of our presidential candidates. And yes, he included those groups, BTW (it's the only way he could come up with that large a number).

I just love it when your eyes are so full of bile that you cannot read what I wrote. If you are in no condition to be CC, whether you be a retired LEO, former military, or just a citizen, you have no business CC. Having a law on the books that does not make this distinction is ridiculous and dangerous. Does that make you feel better? When the thread writer throws out that "Blue Line" stuff, it gets me mad---it insinuates a mindless disregard for doing the right thing and the responsible thing.

No need to throw out the Blue Line/Blue Brotherhood at all... You see, there's nothing in this statement that has any requisites:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In fact, one does not even have to be a citizen to exercise that right... and can be blind, halt, lame, deaf, and mute.

That is all I am asking for and it should be that way for everyone who has a CCWP. The idea that age or mental stability or whatever should not play into a decision because the law is missing basic common sense and that Blue Line is somehow sacred is ridiculous.

Arizona has no restrictions, other than the federal to who may purchase or carry a firearm.

It is not the "blue line" that is sacred, it is the RIGHT... PERIOD!

 

[kelcarry]

So who decides if you qualify? More importantly, why do we have to qualify to exercise our rights?

Are you truly of sound mind? So if you are a bit unsound of mind but are that wonderful retired LEO or military man or even a regular citizen and you go out and kill a few people because you see the commies and zombies coming--that's OK because you have "rights". But this is no problem with you--you were just exercising your rights and no one is really qualified to make a determination about you. It scares me to think that you actually believe your poppycock. C'mon now----you mean their is no limit to who can CC once they have been an LEO or military or, for that matter, just a citizen---so your 2A rights trump senility--you are nuts if you believe that. Look--I do not have the answer as to "who decides" but I do have an answer if your conclusion is "let um have their guns"---ridiculous and irresponsible.

 

[CaveJohnson]

The bolded statement was a sarcastic quote of a statement made by one of our presidential candidates. And yes, he included those groups, BTW (it's the only way he could come up with that large a number).

Ah, thought you were saying it seriously. I know he said it, and that's why I had the big *** moment because I can't believe people buy that nonsense.

 

[oakchas]

Are you truly of sound mind? So if you are a bit unsound of mind but are that wonderful retired LEO or military man or even a regular citizen and you go out and kill a few people because you see the commies and zombies coming--that's OK because you have "rights". But this is no problem with you--you were just exercising your rights and no one is really qualified to make a determination about you. It scares me to think that you actually believe your poppycock. C'mon now----you mean their is no limit to who can CC once they have been an LEO or military or, for that matter, just a citizen---so your 2A rights trump senility--you are nuts if you believe that. Look--I do not have the answer as to "who decides" but I do have an answer if your conclusion is "let um have their guns"---ridiculous and irresponsible.

So, what else as regards guns is reasonable and "responsible?"
6 round capacity? Why not? How about 20-20 vision maybe?

List your requirements here, let us know how you would restrict the right...

 

[First Sgt]

mmmmm......Pass the popcorn please, this is gonna be better than watching the election coverage....:danceban:

 

[rottkeeper]

Are you truly of sound mind? So if you are a bit unsound of mind but are that wonderful retired LEO or military man or even a regular citizen and you go out and kill a few people because you see the commies and zombies coming--that's OK because you have "rights". But this is no problem with you--you were just exercising your rights and no one is really qualified to make a determination about you. It scares me to think that you actually believe your poppycock. C'mon now----you mean their is no limit to who can CC once they have been an LEO or military or, for that matter, just a citizen---so your 2A rights trump senility--you are nuts if you believe that. Look--I do not have the answer as to "who decides" but I do have an answer if your conclusion is "let um have their guns"---ridiculous and irresponsible.

You a seem little too bent out of shape for a constructive discussion, so I'm out, before I digress to the above.

 

[oakchas]

Here's a great list of basic limitations:

You must have at least 20/40 near and far vision in each eye (tested separately). If you require glasses or contacts to meet this requirement, you must wear these at all times while carrying a firearm. You must not be color-blind and you must not have any conditions that interfere with your sight or are likely to interfere with your sight in the future.

Ears, Nose, Throat and Balance

Your hearing must be good enough to hear a person speaking in a normal conversational tone six feet behind you. You must not have any ear, nose, throat or mouth problems that are likely to interfere with speech communication or cause vertigo.


Mental Health and Substance Abuse

You must not have any mental condition that gives you hallucinations or causes "grossly bizarre" behavior. You must have no history of substance dependence or must demonstrate that you have totally abstained from using the substance in question for the past two years. Substances include nearly any potentially addictive or mind-altering chemical (including alcohol) except for tobacco and caffeine.

Seizures and Heart Disease

You must not suffer from epilepsy or any other seizure disorder which could impair your safe use of a firearm. You will be disqualified for many serious heart diseases, including (but not limited to) angina pectoris, myocardial infarction or other "coronary heart disease that has required treatment." A permanently implanted cardiac pacemaker will also disqualify you, as will a replacement valve or transplanted heart.

Diabetes and General Condition

If you have diabetes that must be controlled using insulin or similar product, you will be disqualified. In general, to become a weapons permit holder you must not have any condition which could cause you to suddenly lose consciousness, become disoriented or otherwise lose your ability to handle a firearm. These requirements are not exhaustive, and some conditions may not permanently disqualify you from carrying a weapon if you are otherwise qualified (in some cases, the examining doctor may defer judgment on a condition to a higher authority).

maybe we could add to these?

 

[kb2wji]

mmmmm......Pass the popcorn please, this is gonna be better than watching the election coverage....:danceban:

Well that wont be hard. Crashing your new Ferrari is better than watching the election coverage.

 

[boscobeans]

Here's the problem, there is no statute in any New York State law that mandates that a law enforcement agency qualify its retired officers. Because it is not required, they won't do it. That being said, can I still carry under HR 218? It seems to me that I should be able to, after all , it's the States fault that they don't. My options are:

1. Get a carry permit from Utah or Florida.

2. Carry anyway, and if an Officer questions me, hope that he has common sense and respects the Blue Brotherhood.

What do you think?

Permit from any other State is no good in NY.

Western NY ?? Depending on the county it should be no problem for you to apply and get a permit. ?

Just wondering.

bosco

 

[royal barnes]

I'm not going to get into the argument whether retired officers should have the right to carry where others cannot but I'm not aware of any state CCW permit that requires yearly qualification. LEOSA requires qualification by your department's regular course. For me, in N.C., it would mean a 50 round course ranging from 3 to 25 yards, both day and night. If this were the case for all CCW permits, many would not apply and many who did would not be able to qualify. If a retired LEO covered under this bill fails to requalify due to age, infirmity, etc. his permit is not renewed. Not the case with standard CCW permits anywhere in this country.

 

[kayakersteve]

Welcome from a fellow western New Yorker (Chautuaqua County) - Why not just get a NYS pistol permit? The florida and utah are not recognized by our wonderful state. I used to belong to the Chautauqua County Sheriffs Department in Corrections and they still openly invite me to come to the range on Q-days. Can you do something like that? Unfortunately HR218 doesn't apply to me because I didn't retire, rather went on to medical school.

 

[NY27]

Get certified. I worked in NYSDOCS too before becoming a PO. Remember, not all cops like CO's. So, I would not count on the blue brotherhood. And yes, sometimes there are perks to being active or retired law enforcement. It's been that way since before any of us were born and it'll be that way long after we're all taking a dirt nap. That's life, get over it.

 

[Steve261]

Welcome from a fellow western New Yorker (Chautuaqua County) - Why not just get a NYS pistol permit? The florida and utah are not recognized by our wonderful state. I used to belong to the Chautauqua County Sheriffs Department in Corrections and they still openly invite me to come to the range on Q-days. Can you do something like that? Unfortunately HR218 doesn't apply to me because I didn't retire, rather went on to medical school.

You don't have to "retire", you only have to separated from law enforcement after working 10 years.

 

[RetCONY]

Just to clear up some points:
1. I have a NYS permit, for 35 years now.
2. I would like to carry if I travel out of state.
3. I don't carry with the intent of being a vigilante. It is for my protection and that of my family.
4. The Government says that I have the right to, based on my 34 years of law enforcement experience.
5. Finally, being cheap, I don't want to pay for something that should be provided to me by Federal law.

 

[Steve261]

Just to clear up some points:
1. I have a NYS permit, for 35 years now.
2. I would like to carry if I travel out of state.
3. I don't carry with the intent of being a vigilante. It is for my protection and that of my family.
4. The Government says that I have the right to, based on my 34 years of law enforcement experience.
5. Finally, being cheap, I don't want to pay for something that should be provided to me by Federal law.

A) The Government doesn't give you the right to anything. The Government says you can carry in other States "if" you meet and qualify under the standards set through LEOSA.

B) Who said it, or anything should be provided to you free, by the Government or anyone else?

Following that logic, I served in the military, I think I should have my mortgage paid by the Government, etc.

 

[boscobeans]

Check out this NYS site. Might be more NYS LEO's in the same position.

NY Firearms

I have a NYS permit for over 38 years and every few years I drop some coin for a few select non-resident permits and can go pretty much where I want.

I can't practice my previous profession (after over 30 years) because I do not want to pay for re-registration ($200) and spend 45 hours every 2 years earning CE credits. That's just how certain things work.

OMO

bosco