POLL: Safety (on/off)? Chambered round?
This is a discussion on POLL: Safety (on/off)? Chambered round? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by a_kayaker
Not to get in your face here, but you said "I would Carry".
I for one carry with one in ...
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October 5th, 2006 01:44 AM
The use of the word "would" was in reference to the scenario.
Originally Posted by a_kayaker
I carry my Sig 226 or a Keltec P3AT and they have no external safety. In the event I did carry my Beretta 92fs it would be done with the safety off, I just don't carry it.
I have NO fear of an AD/UD with ANYTHING I carry. My finger and Brain are my safety.
"Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud..."
-Jeff Cooper, "The Art of the Rifle"
October 5th, 2006 01:44 AM
October 5th, 2006 03:31 AM
A person reacts in an emergency as they train. If you train with the safety on then your auto reflexes will wipe the saftey off in an emergency without having to think about it.
That being said I always have the safety activated and one in the pipe.
Why give a Lawyer more ammo to use against you to try and make you look negligent. "So the gun has a safety and you carry the gun with it disengaged?" Hmmm doesn't sound good.
October 5th, 2006 05:23 AM
All of my handguns have a safety and I use it. I train to draw Secret Service-style by taking the safety off while I draw rather than after the draw. In response to your question about LEOs, many have a Glock so there is no safety (e.g. pull the trigger and it fires) but if they do have a safety many train to have the safety on and disengage it after they've drawn the gun.
October 5th, 2006 06:41 AM
AS a LEO that carries a Smith and Wesson DA/SA on duty, not a Glock or whatever, we are taught that the "safety" is a DE-cocker, not a SAFETY. I gather this is from Smith and Wesson's own training doctrine...so it is carried "off." I recall reading something to the effect that the LAPD carries their Mdl. 92 style Berettas with the decocker/safety OFF while the LASO carries them with the safety ON, but don't know if that is true or current.
October 5th, 2006 07:20 AM
One in the pipe, regardless of weapon.
1911 - Cocked & Locked, safety on.
DA/SA - Decocked, safety (if present) on.
"We're paratroopers. We're supposed to be surrounded!" Dick Winters
October 5th, 2006 08:16 AM
I didn't vote because the qualifiers aren't clear enough and I didn't want to skew the poll.
I carry my 1911 different than the way I carry my other semi-autos so there isn't just one answer.
"Semi-autos" don't all function exactly the same therefore they aren't operated or carried the same.
For reference, I carry my Commander in Condition One (safety on), but I carry NONE of my other (DA/SA) semi-autos that way. They all accompany me with chamber loaded, hammer down, safety OFF.
October 5th, 2006 10:17 AM
I used to carry DA/SA with hammer down on first round and safety ON.
One day I decided to simulate stress. I used a replica gun firing pellets. The gun was just like my carry gun and the safety was identical.
Anyway, I set up some targets and randomly declared them "BGs" I drew and fired as quickly as possible at them. Actually I did pretty well except for one small problem.... Occasionally, I didn't get the safety off. I swiped it but didn't get it off safety. I didn't realize it and of course the gun didn't fire.
The problem with this was that every time it happened... it surprised me and it took me longer than you might think to recover, get the safety OFF and then try the target again. I realized that in a gunfight that mistake might be a BIG one.
Even though I KNEW this might happen missing the safety STILL continued to surprise me and slow me down.
Anyway, DA.. safety off. SA.. I would have the safety on anyway. That's why I carry only DA weapons. I don't trust myself in always getting that safety off under pressure.
October 5th, 2006 10:34 AM
Based on all the training I've had over the years, John, I gotta say that's some wise stuff you posted.
Originally Posted by John Wesley
Things happen differently under stress than we may think. Presentations are muffed, shots are fired prematurely and dare I say wildly, and shots are even fired that shouldn't be. Bad decisions are made on faulty interpretation of the situation, and we even get blindsided by the "silent" partner. After the event, I've seen cocked DA/SAs holstered without being decocked, and safeties left off that should be on.
So realizing that safeties, et al can be missed, etc., it is wise to simplify the process as much as possible.
October 5th, 2006 10:49 AM
Caveat from shotgunning?
I agree with this. I think I am on topic, because of the way that this discussion has headed, but if not feel free to remove this post, it won't bother me. Without getting too lengthy, let me say that I am an avid bird hunter and used to guide a lot. Snap shooting a flushing bird is usually pure instinctive shooting, as it would be in a self defense situation; sans the threat of death and associated emotional disruption.
Originally Posted by raevan
A friend of a freind, who were both guides, got killed because a client took the safety off, tripped and wheeled as he fell with his finger on the trigger. STUPID STUPID STUPID. Anyway, the rule for me and all of my partners is: safety on until the birds are in the air and finger off the trigger until the gun is shouldered and pointed. All can become one smooth motion.
It took some training, I shoot sporting clays in the same manner, but clicking off the safety is now automatic and I don't think about it, it just happens when the gun comes up.
One caveat is that for this to work, you have to have the same safety config on all of your weapons. Since I usually hunt with doubles, the only repeater with the safety in the right place is Mossberg, so I am limited to top mounted safties.
I would think the same must apply to CC. It will only work if you consistently train with weapons with the same safety mechanism. You don't have time to think, you have to rely on instinct and muscle memory.
Any thoughts on this from those who carry different weapons with different saftey types???
Last edited by sgtD; October 5th, 2006 at 03:32 PM.
When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.
October 5th, 2006 11:05 AM
October 5th, 2006 11:09 AM
For my 1911, its loaded chamber, safety on. If I carried a DA/SA pistol with a safety I would carry loaded chamber, safety off. I don't carry a gun like that, but I carry my P-01 loaded chamber, hammer decocked.
October 5th, 2006 11:14 AM
Why all the excess? If his finger wasn't on the trigger it wouldn't have been an issue. He broke one of the four gun safety rules. Yeah, if the safety was on it would have prevented it, but if he had followed the rules to begin with, it would have also prevented it.
Originally Posted by sgtD
October 5th, 2006 11:15 AM
Sigh, some people just did NOT pay attention to the directions in the original post.. PRETEND YOU MUST CARRY A BERETTA 92FS.. so, with that in mind...
I would have one chambered w/ safety on. (this is my original thought), however, from the one post on page 2, I now would consider carrying a DA/SA in double action (like my glock) w/ the safety off. Good posts..
ALWAYS one chambered.
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October 5th, 2006 11:21 AM
The Glocks aren't double action though.
"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper
"Dilgentia Vis Celeritas"
October 5th, 2006 11:21 AM
Aways one in the Pipe. Always with the safety on.
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
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