POLL: Safety (on/off)? Chambered round?

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View Poll Results: If you MUST carry a semi-auto hand gun w/a safety, how do you carry it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_kayaker View Post
    PolarBear,

    Not to get in your face here, but you said "I would Carry".

    I for one carry with one in the pipe and the safety on. I am only confortable carrying without a safety when I am carrying my S&W 642. 8lb trigger pull... nuff said.

    Do you currently carry in this mannor? I agree that there should be little chance of an AD/UD using your configuration. I just like the extra peace of mind. An AD?UD in a public place would be frowned upon by most.
    The use of the word "would" was in reference to the scenario.
    I carry my Sig 226 or a Keltec P3AT and they have no external safety. In the event I did carry my Beretta 92fs it would be done with the safety off, I just don't carry it.
    I have NO fear of an AD/UD with ANYTHING I carry. My finger and Brain are my safety.
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    A person reacts in an emergency as they train. If you train with the safety on then your auto reflexes will wipe the saftey off in an emergency without having to think about it.

    That being said I always have the safety activated and one in the pipe.

    Why give a Lawyer more ammo to use against you to try and make you look negligent. "So the gun has a safety and you carry the gun with it disengaged?" Hmmm doesn't sound good.

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    All of my handguns have a safety and I use it. I train to draw Secret Service-style by taking the safety off while I draw rather than after the draw. In response to your question about LEOs, many have a Glock so there is no safety (e.g. pull the trigger and it fires) but if they do have a safety many train to have the safety on and disengage it after they've drawn the gun.

    Cheers.

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    AS a LEO that carries a Smith and Wesson DA/SA on duty, not a Glock or whatever, we are taught that the "safety" is a DE-cocker, not a SAFETY. I gather this is from Smith and Wesson's own training doctrine...so it is carried "off." I recall reading something to the effect that the LAPD carries their Mdl. 92 style Berettas with the decocker/safety OFF while the LASO carries them with the safety ON, but don't know if that is true or current.
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    One in the pipe, regardless of weapon.
    1911 - Cocked & Locked, safety on.
    DA/SA - Decocked, safety (if present) on.
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    I didn't vote because the qualifiers aren't clear enough and I didn't want to skew the poll.
    I carry my 1911 different than the way I carry my other semi-autos so there isn't just one answer.

    "Semi-autos" don't all function exactly the same therefore they aren't operated or carried the same.

    For reference, I carry my Commander in Condition One (safety on), but I carry NONE of my other (DA/SA) semi-autos that way. They all accompany me with chamber loaded, hammer down, safety OFF.

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    I used to carry DA/SA with hammer down on first round and safety ON.

    One day I decided to simulate stress. I used a replica gun firing pellets. The gun was just like my carry gun and the safety was identical.

    Anyway, I set up some targets and randomly declared them "BGs" I drew and fired as quickly as possible at them. Actually I did pretty well except for one small problem.... Occasionally, I didn't get the safety off. I swiped it but didn't get it off safety. I didn't realize it and of course the gun didn't fire.

    The problem with this was that every time it happened... it surprised me and it took me longer than you might think to recover, get the safety OFF and then try the target again. I realized that in a gunfight that mistake might be a BIG one.

    Even though I KNEW this might happen missing the safety STILL continued to surprise me and slow me down.

    Anyway, DA.. safety off. SA.. I would have the safety on anyway. That's why I carry only DA weapons. I don't trust myself in always getting that safety off under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wesley View Post
    I used to carry DA/SA with hammer down on first round and safety ON.

    One day I decided to simulate stress. I used a replica gun firing pellets. The gun was just like my carry gun and the safety was identical.

    Anyway, I set up some targets and randomly declared them "BGs" I drew and fired as quickly as possible at them. Actually I did pretty well except for one small problem.... Occasionally, I didn't get the safety off. I swiped it but didn't get it off safety. I didn't realize it and of course the gun didn't fire.

    The problem with this was that every time it happened... it surprised me and it took me longer than you might think to recover, get the safety OFF and then try the target again. I realized that in a gunfight that mistake might be a BIG one.

    Even though I KNEW this might happen missing the safety STILL continued to surprise me and slow me down.

    Anyway, DA.. safety off. SA.. I would have the safety on anyway. That's why I carry only DA weapons. I don't trust myself in always getting that safety off under pressure.
    Based on all the training I've had over the years, John, I gotta say that's some wise stuff you posted.

    Things happen differently under stress than we may think. Presentations are muffed, shots are fired prematurely and dare I say wildly, and shots are even fired that shouldn't be. Bad decisions are made on faulty interpretation of the situation, and we even get blindsided by the "silent" partner. After the event, I've seen cocked DA/SAs holstered without being decocked, and safeties left off that should be on.

    So realizing that safeties, et al can be missed, etc., it is wise to simplify the process as much as possible.

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    Caveat from shotgunning?

    Quote Originally Posted by raevan View Post
    A person reacts in an emergency as they train. If you train with the safety on then your auto reflexes will wipe the saftey off in an emergency without having to think about it.
    I agree with this. I think I am on topic, because of the way that this discussion has headed, but if not feel free to remove this post, it won't bother me. Without getting too lengthy, let me say that I am an avid bird hunter and used to guide a lot. Snap shooting a flushing bird is usually pure instinctive shooting, as it would be in a self defense situation; sans the threat of death and associated emotional disruption.

    A friend of a freind, who were both guides, got killed because a client took the safety off, tripped and wheeled as he fell with his finger on the trigger. STUPID STUPID STUPID. Anyway, the rule for me and all of my partners is: safety on until the birds are in the air and finger off the trigger until the gun is shouldered and pointed. All can become one smooth motion.

    It took some training, I shoot sporting clays in the same manner, but clicking off the safety is now automatic and I don't think about it, it just happens when the gun comes up.

    One caveat is that for this to work, you have to have the same safety config on all of your weapons. Since I usually hunt with doubles, the only repeater with the safety in the right place is Mossberg, so I am limited to top mounted safties.

    I would think the same must apply to CC. It will only work if you consistently train with weapons with the same safety mechanism. You don't have time to think, you have to rely on instinct and muscle memory.

    Any thoughts on this from those who carry different weapons with different saftey types???
    Last edited by sgtD; October 5th, 2006 at 02:32 PM. Reason: Clarification
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    I guess I should have read your first post more closely.

    SA pistols = ON
    DA pistols = OFF
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    For my 1911, its loaded chamber, safety on. If I carried a DA/SA pistol with a safety I would carry loaded chamber, safety off. I don't carry a gun like that, but I carry my P-01 loaded chamber, hammer decocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    A friend of a freind, who were both guides, got killed because a client took the safety off, tripped and wheeled as he fell with his finger on the trigger. STUPID STUPID STUPID. Anyway, the rule for me and all of my partners is: safety on until the birds are in the air and finger off the trigger until the gun is shouldered and pointed. All can become one smooth motion.
    Why all the excess? If his finger wasn't on the trigger it wouldn't have been an issue. He broke one of the four gun safety rules. Yeah, if the safety was on it would have prevented it, but if he had followed the rules to begin with, it would have also prevented it.

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    Sigh, some people just did NOT pay attention to the directions in the original post.. PRETEND YOU MUST CARRY A BERETTA 92FS.. so, with that in mind...
    I would have one chambered w/ safety on. (this is my original thought), however, from the one post on page 2, I now would consider carrying a DA/SA in double action (like my glock) w/ the safety off. Good posts..

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    The Glocks aren't double action though.
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    Aways one in the Pipe. Always with the safety on.
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