Rant: From NRA "Armed Citizens"
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November 13th, 2012 11:46 AM
Another thing to remember is most of the SD situations you read about involve handguns. The truth is handguns just aren't as "deadly" as the MSM & the Brady Bunch would have you believe. Almost any wound inflicted by a handgun (short of a "heart" shot; or a shot that destroys the brain stem) are survivable if prompt medical attention is administered.
Real life just isn't like Hollywood; where one shot immediately knocks the BG down & kills him instantly.
November 13th, 2012 11:46 AM
November 13th, 2012 03:37 PM
1. It's easy to criticize when you weren't there.
2. It's easy to criticize when you always shoot perfect scores on the range, with no one shooting back at you.
3. It's easy to criticize when most of your training has been on TV, or the movies.
4. Pistols are relatively weak tools for inflicting mortal wounds.
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November 13th, 2012 03:47 PM
Here's a perfect example from today's very news, Durham NC's "hood" to be specific.
Officers said they responded to a shooting call about 10 p.m. Monday in the 600 block of North Driver Street and found Jelani Kaumua Dandy in the road with several gunshot wounds.
He was taken to Duke University Hospital, where he was in critical condition Tuesday.
Another day in the 'hood, Durham-style
November 13th, 2012 03:50 PM
I think a lot of the "live" bad guys is due to our medical advances. Think about the huge change in survival rates from previous wars to now (but with an increased number of disabled/amputees/etc.). What used to be a deadly wound is now survivable thanks to modern medicine.
Another factor is that we are not shooting to kill, but to stop the threat. Once the BG is on the ground and out of the fight we aren't normally going to keep shooting.
November 13th, 2012 03:53 PM
That's correct, and it explains why whenever a homicide detective finds a victim with 47 stab wounds, 14 gunshot wounds, 8 blows from a blunt instrument along with evidence of strangulation, they think one thing: family.
Originally Posted by StevePVB
November 13th, 2012 03:59 PM
Re: Rant: From NRA "Armed Citizens"
I was thinking suicide
Smile. It makes people wonder what you are up to
November 13th, 2012 04:00 PM
Since this is about round count, here is an interesting factoid: In Viet Nam it is stated that the US troops fire 50,000* rounds per body count! Of course that includes mini-guns, etc.
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November 13th, 2012 04:02 PM
IMO, the key is: some shots cause enough damage to stop; fewer still, kill.
Originally Posted by mastercapt
The only way to know the causal factors is to have each and ever situation documented to a fare-thee-well, which ain't gonna happen. So, who's to say. I'm sure you're right, that some are just crappy (unpracticed) shooters, while the chemical dump in some is grossly affecting their aim, while still others are striking the target with less-than-lethal shots, with some striking sufficiently deeply/accurately to make quick work of things.
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the number of victims?
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November 13th, 2012 04:10 PM
I agree... that should make over 90% of folks (including myself) on this forum. What Hollywood shows is way way different in real life.
Originally Posted by DaGunny
November 13th, 2012 04:18 PM
November 13th, 2012 04:22 PM
Agreed.. handgun calibers don't make any difference, it's all about a well placed shot.
Originally Posted by tcox4freedom
Remember, Robert Kennedy was killed with a single .22 shot that went in just below his right ear. Also, Zimmerman killed that African American kid with a .380 bullet.
November 13th, 2012 04:35 PM
What do base that statement on?
Originally Posted by VA_Glocker
November 13th, 2012 05:02 PM
Zimmerman used a KelTec PF9, 9mm.
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November 13th, 2012 07:35 PM
That is correct.
Originally Posted by TheConcealer
They showed it on the news right after the shooting.
I had training a long time ago on defense shooting from a police firearms instructor.
However, in those days, they stressed double tap (they carried model 19 357 mag) and
a big difference: the COP is allowed to have his gun unholstered going into a situation.
For us citizens, thats wreckless endangerment with a firearm.
You are also correct in stating it will be a close encounter. Aiming and sights are not as important as you drawing and shooting first.
I can also see the study done a while back stating pewrcentage of one shot kills left out one important parameter: length of time between the shot and death.
November 13th, 2012 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by OPFOR
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