This is a discussion on Going to the southcenter mall carry or not carry within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Soccerfly Don't think I'd be breaking the WA state law, but it does bring up a valid point of trespassing on someone ...
Here's the way I look at it. And I know a lot of people don't agree, and that's cool. I just don't need a morality lecture. I know where my moral compass points and I'm on track.
If violating a posted business is a violation of your state law, I don't recommend breaking any laws. And it's against this forums rules to discuss illegal acts, so don't ask about breaking laws.
However, I choose to carry everywhere I'm legal to do so. I'm not a part time ccw carrier. I never know when or where my life may be in imminent danger. And no one else can tell me when or where that might happen either. If I had more than one life, I might have a different attitude. But I only got one life, and I have the right to defend it, with the most appropriate means available.
I respect other peoples rights. And if I know I'm unwelcome in a place posted with a sign, I'm on notice that I'm unwelcome can choose not to patronize that place. And there are places I don't go to by choice. However, I carry my gun everywhere it's legal to do so. If someone is uncomfortable with that and asks me to leave, I got no problem leaving and going somewhere else. In my state, it is quite clearly written in statute, violating posted businesses is not a criminal act.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
Since signs apparently have no weight in WA, the decision you need to make, is do you follow the property owners wishes, or do what you want to do. Myself, I wouldn't go to the mall.
Look at it this way. If you put a sign at your front door, that said "No Smoking". Would you expect someone entering your house to obey it, or would it be alright for them to go into the bathroom and light up, since you can't see it? After all, they aren't violating any law (yet), you can ask them to leave, and if they don't have them arrested for trespassing.
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If gunbuster signs don't have the weight of law in your state then you have every legal right to exercise your 2A rights. If you have a moral problem of going against a private business's right to post those signs then don't carry there. Personally I just don't do business in those places unless I absolutely have to. I carry legally & if a business doesn't want me to be armed on their property I'll take my money elsewhere.
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I carry there. I don't see signs?? Pretty thugy there. Nobody will ever know anyway. Unless the worst happens
As others have pointed out, it is a mall policy not WA law. They can ask you to leave if they see it. Since someone tried to mug me in the mall parking lot in '97 , I am biased.
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It's not the business owners that don't want firearms,it's the mall management.To compare it to ones private property ie home ect. Is not a valid comparison.Individual business owners in the mall have no say in the matter,why boycott them?Signs do not mean anything in WA state,I've carried in that same mall myself.
In Florida this would not be illegal.
in Washington State there ARE places, such as schools, post offices, court houses (i believe), where it IS illegal to carry.
signs posted by PRIVATE BUSINESSES do not have the force of law in this state, but as others have said, if you are discovered to be carrying, refusal to leave immediately CAN result in your being charged with trespassing. i haven't been to Southcenter Mall in ages, but i have never seen any "no guns" signs posted at Northgate or Alderwood malls, which are not that far away.
personally, i try to not patronize such establishments, but occasionally i have been invited to places that have "no guns allowed" signs posted. my decision has been to carry, but to be prepared to leave if i'm discovered to be armed.