Going to the southcenter mall carry or not carry

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    Going to the southcenter mall carry or not carry

    So I'm off to Seattle southcenter mall tomorrow I have ccl and carry IWB do I carry regardless or do I follow the mall rules about no firearms prohibited.?

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    That's a call only you can make. Weigh the consequences of getting caught vs going unarmed and make your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
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    I'm pretty sure it's not illegal. Even if they are posted, the signs in this state hold no legal wt.

    To answer the OPs question...it is up to you if you choose to carry if the mall/stores are posted. If you are discovered carrying, and asked to leave, YOU MUST LEAVE or you can be charged with trespassing.
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    A few yrs ago, a cc'er did get involved in a shooting at that mall (I think....it may have been the Tacoma Mall). He was shot and paralyzed in the encounter. However he was not breaking any laws when he engaged that day.
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    In regards to the Tacoma Mall shooting, there is a lot more to the story of the two people who were at the mall and carrying, and its worth reading about sometime. Good information, I really recommend it, do a Google search.

    As far as the Southcenter mall... that is ridiculous. In my case it would make me not want to take my business there, but if I had to go I would carry, and if someone found out and asked me to leave, I would reply, "Sure, I will gladly leave and never return to a place that doesn't recognize my Constitutional rights, OR common sense personal defense," and i'd be gone! Never to return!
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    The property owner has made it known to you that they do not want your firearm on their premises.

    You do not have a right to carry your firearm onto someone else's property if the property owner informs you that they do not want your firearm on their premises.

    The property owner is not banning you from the property, they are only banning your firearm.

    The property owner has a right to ban your firearm from their property.

    Respect the rights of the property owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    The property owner has made it known to you that they do not want your firearm on their premises.

    You do not have a right to carry your firearm onto someone else's property if the property owner informs you that they do not want your firearm on their premises.

    The property owner is not banning you from the property, they are only banning your firearm.

    The property owner has a right to ban your firearm from their property.

    Respect the rights of the property owner.
    Signs saying no firearms do not hold the weight of law in Washington.
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    Don't think I'd be breaking the WA state law, but it does bring up a valid point of trespassing on someone else's property.

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    No trespassing is involved here: the mall is open to the public. I have been to that mall often and never saw ANY signage prohibiting firearms carry, except in the bar areas of restaurants in the food court. In Washington, that is a no-fireams zone.
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    Well whats more important to you, being courteous and respecting someone's disrespect of your Second Amendment rights, or protecting yourself at all times, which nobody will notice if you carry properly concealed anyway?

    In some cases, what you, or the Southcenter mall owners don't know, won't hurt them. It may actually save their lives one day or the lives of their customers.

    Just my thoughts, i'll quiet down now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brademan View Post
    No trespassing is involved here: the mall is open to the public. I have been to that mall often and never saw ANY signage prohibiting firearms carry, except in the bar areas of restaurants in the food court. In Washington, that is a no-fireams zone.
    Well there you go.

    Seems like a green light to me.
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    In PA the property owner's rules trump all others. They can have signs saying no CC or make you leave if they tell you to for any reason. In fact, here in PA, just because something is "open to the public" (like a mall) doesn't make it public property--and the land owner makes the rules.

    However, if the state of Washington doesn't have the same rules, then why ask? You aren't doing anything wrong either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccerfly View Post
    So I'm off to Seattle southcenter mall tomorrow I have ccl and carry IWB do I carry regardless or do I follow the mall rules about no firearms prohibited.?
    I'd carry.

    For myself, when out and about in a state in which "no this-or-that" type signs hold no force of law, I carry everywhere it is lawful for me to do so. If requested to leave, then refusal will basically equate to criminal trespass (depending on the wording of the state statutes). If in a state where pretty little signage does carry the force of law, I go elsewhere.

    Up to you, whether concern over the property owner's concern is sufficient for you to refrain from carrying, despite the lawful nature of your activity. Seems to me that the benefit of such a concern hardly balances the cost of being unarmed if SHTF. Which is, IMO, why we carry.
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    I carry in my local mall always, even though it's posted.

    Why?

    Because the posting is not legal. Numerous entrances are unposted and the verbage does not follow the requirements of Tennessee.

    That said, there are stores (at least one) inside of the mall which ARE legally posted. I do not patronize said store(s).

    If signs do not carry weight of law, the worst thing that can happen is that you get asked to leave and you do so.

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