Few crimes committed by concealed-carry permit holders in Kansas

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    Few crimes committed by concealed-carry permit holders in Kansas

    I saw this article on the Star site. Thought others might find it interesting too.

    Few crimes committed by concealed-carry permit holders in Kansas - KansasCity.com
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    See, See, I tolja there are good guys in Kansas, Rednecks mabe but still good guys....just sayin

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    Not suprising really.
    Here in Arkansas less than 1/10 of a percent of permits have been revoked for any reason.

    The top two reasons are drinking and gunning and somebody going through a divorce and having a restraining order put on them...hardly what I would call "violent" crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by from the bottom of the article
    ...Palbicke(a criminal justice instructor at Washerburn University with 25 years experience in the Chicago area) said the community would be better served if people would concentrate on being good witnesses at the scene of a crime. "Someone comes in to rob a bank, get on the floor," he said. "Let them get away with the money and worry about it later."
    This is one of the most idiotic arguments against concealed carry I've ever heard.

    What happens when the BGs decide they want to start killing witnesses?
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    What happens when the BGs decide they want to start killing witnesses?
    Then its time to kill them back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Then its time to kill them back.
    Unless you're in a "Criminal Safe Zone"

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    I'll never understand that kind of thinking. They know who is doing the crimes and its not the cc holders. Guns will never go away, and we need to be able to protect ourselves and familys from the violent criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steffen View Post
    This is one of the most idiotic arguments against concealed carry I've ever heard.

    What happens when the BGs decide they want to start killing witnesses?
    Me:Hello, 911 Operator... I'd like to report a murder...
    Operator: Who was killed?
    Me: Me

    ...I vote for being a survivor, not a victim.
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    Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said it’s misleading to limit the list of revocations and suspensions of concealed-carry permits to only those who have committed a crime with a firearm.

    “It understates the problem,” he said. “You don’t want a domestic abuser armed just because they haven’t shot anyone yet. If they are beating their wife, odds are they are going to shoot her eventually.”

    Vice also takes issue with Kansas and other states that don’t make their lists of concealed-carry permit holders public. Kansas only allows the names of those who have had their licenses suspended or revoked to become public.

    “Because of the secrecy law,” Vice said, “we can’t know if the state is even doing its job of revoking licenses of lawbreakers. If the gun lobby really believes what they’re saying, why would they hide the information?”
    Because, Mr. Vice, the law protects against defacto gun registration which serves only tyrants and lesser criminals.
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    2 things come to mind- You can't legislate crime and- surprise, surprise- the bad guys don't follow the law.
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    There has been more than one study that says CCW holders are less likely to commit a crime.

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    Who woulda thunk it??

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    Let me postulate something here just for fun. Since getting a CCP is not terribly difficult and many here want everyone that can to get one let me ask you this: If 100 percent of the folks eligible for CCP's had them (fill in your state here) don't you think the percentage of "crimes" committed by CCP holders would drasticly increase?
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    Tony Palbicke, a criminal justice instructor at Washburn University, has 25 years’ experience as a police officer in the Chicago area – working in the one state that prohibits concealed carry.

    “The problem is people aren’t trained,” he said. “It’s not just about how to handle the weapon. After the first hour of training, you can shoot straight. But they aren’t trained when to defend themselves.

    “As a police officer, I’d vote no against concealed carry. It complicates the job and puts officers’ lives at risk. I like to put my trust in the cops.”
    Any reasonable person knows "when" a situation has escalated to the point that it has become necessary to defend themselves. I'd bet the average concealed carry holder has spent more time studying self-defense than the average unarmed citizen.

    Mr. Palbicke, just how does a handgun which is carried by a law abiding citizen put "officers' lives at risk"? Mr. Palbicke, since you are an educator at a university, please cite your sources which will backup your statements as being truthful.
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