Road Rage...how far do you take it?

Road Rage...how far do you take it?

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    Road Rage...how far do you take it?

    Here's part of an article in a local paper. Hypothetically, you are the Honda driver. What is your response to this incident?

    "Judson says the Honda driver responded with a "what are you doing?" gesture when a Chevrolet Blazer merged onto State Highway 167 near Algona, cut across all lanes and suddenly slowed. The trooper says the brothers in the Blazer then pursued the Honda.

    She says another Blazer driven by the young men's father helped force the Honda onto the shoulder. Witnesses say one young man climbed onto the Honda's hood, hitting it with a club, while the other repeatedly hit the car driver in the face. The Honda driver finally managed to drive away."


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    There's no way I'd allow this to even be possible... there's no reason for it, that car is a heavy weapon when my life is in danger.

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    In my wife's Jetta? Try to squeeze out if I can, and if I have to run someone over I do it. If I can't get out I start shooting.

    In my Jeep I will be able to push almost anyone or anything out of my way. I will get out. Who or what gets damaged in the process is not my problem.
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    wow. scary. I'd call the police first. Then when they entered my vehicle to assault me I'd defend myself with ALL available means.
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    First lesson - don't make any kind of gesture. Second lesson - you have a car that is a several thousand pound weapon. Use it to save your life.
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    If forced into a position my car is stopped and I can't drive away, I will insure they do not lay a hand on me. They chose to hold out the ticket, I'm able to punch it for them, if forced to.
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    well... I don't even know where to start on this one. First, you wouldn't force me off the road ... you may hit my car, but you wont' force me off the road. Second, if I pulled over and stopped and you had a "club" in your hands...er ... if you want to take on a 3000 - 4000 lb car you are an idiot. And yes, I've met jerks like those ...... one , I made a similar comment to when he was driving like an idiot and thought he would just intimidate everyone to get out his way or run them over.

    He stopped in the middle of the highway right after that light and came walking back towards my truck with some 'bar' in his hands and angry look..... I was already on the phone with 911. I also put the clutch in and raced the engine up .... and did a few little leaps in the front end... to let him know ... if he came another further I could pop the clutch and he might not want to take on a "truck"... . so he just stood there in the middle of the highway, I think just trying to look intimidating. I thought it was rather funny and stupid really.

    He had also been screaming and hitting his wife, with about a 2 yr old in a car seat in the back seat when I saw him in traffic prior to that ...... his crazy driving (really bad) was a danger to the child....... which the police took special interest in when they arrived. He seemed rather suprised to see the police and jumped into his car to "run for it" , but they cut him off rather quickly. He went to jail.

    If ya just took a "club" or baseball bat to my car ...... and then headed for me.... it might get ugly... because I would consider a "club" in the hands of a out of control lunatic a dangerous weapon at that point.

    I might point out that here...... the castle doctrine applies if you are in your vehicle and someone attempts to enter it illegally while you are occupying it , or to assault you while you are in your vehicle.
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    Neither of my family's vehicles could be easily forced off the road. But I wouldn't stay there while someone starts beating on my car, to await them getting into the passenger compartment.
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    Castle doctrine or not, the coordinated interdiction using 2 vehicles to block you in would seem to put you on solid legal footing.

    Reading this is scary. You could possibly carefully back up on the shoulder and hope the blocking vehicle didn't parallel you but if I had my wife or one of my kids along, I'd be unlikely to attempt that, or ramming vehicles. No, this idiotic nonsense would likely have cost someone their life if this happened to me. What the hell are people thinking pulling something like this? Especially in Washington state. A lot of people carry guns there.

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    First of all for all the folks that say that they can't be driven off the road: you are wrong. I have been to training where you try to knock people off the road and keep yourself from getting knocked off the road. It can be done by folks that know what they are doing. And if you know what you are doing this is turning into a rather dangerous cat and mouse game. (Obviously do what you have to to protect yourself and family). But never say never or get your ego inflated to the point you can't believe somebody is as capable as you are.

    Now for the scenario: I would never let myself get put in that situation Seriously, if you did get locked into the shoulder or your vehicle was incapacitated and they were getting out of their vehicles (and I have no way of moving), gun is getting unholstered and as soon as the glass is broke then I at that time shooting would be appropriate. I do not think I would shoot just by the presence of a bat and the circumstances. But once that bat started flying all bets are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    First of all for all the folks that say that they can't be driven off the road: you are wrong. I have been to training where you try to knock people off the road and keep yourself from getting knocked off the road. It can be done by folks that know what they are doing.
    Yep.. and some of us know all of the tricks... and you wouldn't put me off the road... I don't care how much you 'think ' you know. Don't ever over-estimate your abilities either. AS I would have no reservations ... if someone attempted it... to do the things I know how to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    If forced into a position my car is stopped and I can't drive away, I will insure they do not lay a hand on me. They chose to hold out the ticket, I'm able to punch it for them, if forced to.
    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    First of all for all the folks that say that they can't be driven off the road: you are wrong. I have been to training where you try to knock people off the road and keep yourself from getting knocked off the road. It can be done by folks that know what they are doing. And if you know what you are doing this is turning into a rather dangerous cat and mouse game. (Obviously do what you have to to protect yourself and family). But never say never or get your ego inflated to the point you can't believe somebody is as capable as you are.

    Now for the scenario: I would never let myself get put in that situation Seriously, if you did get locked into the shoulder or your vehicle was incapacitated and they were getting out of their vehicles (and I have no way of moving), gun is getting unholstered and as soon as the glass is broke then I at that time shooting would be appropriate. I do not think I would shoot just by the presence of a bat and the circumstances. But once that bat started flying all bets are off.

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    All interesting comments, and of course, as events unfold you'd better to be able to make the correct decisions in a couple of areas in split seconds.

    Since I'm carrying, I know I'd have a way of turning the tables...but when? The credo is only as a last resort when the situation approachs endangering my life. Again...when? In this situation the guy got smacked around, but not seriously hurt, so I'm not so sure that drawing would fly with LEO's or the courts in this case. I draw and I may be open to brandishing or assault so I'd better make sure it's justified and I'm ready to take it to the next level pronto.

    He was able to drive away, car bashed, him bashed, them arrested, but no one left bleeding with .45 cal holes in them and so, and I realize it's rhetorical, but quite possibly that was the best course of action armed or not. I would say that if batman had shown he was about to use it on me after he got done with the car...he's likely to be approaching room temperature at that very instance. That, IMHO, would fly with any LOE or court.

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