Firearms at Work

[mano3]

Article on allowing folks to bring guns to work at places that ban guns:

Firearms at work -- is this really something we should be doing? (Joey Kennedy) | al.com


Interesting line about 'never being able to fire anyone again'.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[boricua]

Poor and invalid argument. All this guy has to do is look at all the other states that allow employees to keep their guns in their vehicles while at work. My 2 cents.

[dbglock]

I'm no rabid gun freak, just a "normal" 2A-supporting American, and I like to point out to those who favor a complete ban on handguns that CCP holders are some of the most law-abiding citizens we have. We're pre-vetted and would have a very difficult time getting away with a gun crime. Do people commit violent crimes without giving any thought to "getting away with it"? Oh, those people keep prisons full, but this mindset exists regardless of gun laws, and while guns do make killing easy, a letter opener to the jugular is fatal in three seconds.

[noway2]

My comments:
1) Even if I were to acknowlede your rights / ability to govern what I bring in to the building on my person, your right stops at my locked vehicle.
2) Regarding concern that guns would be introduced into all sorts of issues, the fact that it is currently a non issue is evidence that it would remain a non issue. Those that abide by the crime laws that make such violence illegal will continue to do so. Those that will violate them will continue to do so. Those that may get enraged and go get a gun from their cars will already cause you problems.
Overall, I think a parking lot right is the minimum standard for what should be accepted.

[paaiyan]

Bedford's guns-to-work bill may be good for business in the short term (higher productivity), but as I've clearly shown, it'll be lousy lousy in the long term.

Bahahahahahaha!

[sdprof]

That


Author


Is a


Twit.

He, and the BCA (and every other business association), spout the same tired, pointless, unsupported arguments. There are very few instances of a worker running out to his vehicle to get a gun and perpetrate violence on other workers. Just doesn't happen.

OSHA stats show that most violence in workplace is committed by an outsider (read: criminal). In those instances where it is worker on worker violence, the worker comes directly in with the intent.

Parking lot rules have no impact on such things. They only prevent workers from carrying their defensive weapons to and from the job, during those times they might have need.

[mastercapt]

The last job I had was for an electronic manufacturing company who was under gov't contract for all their products. I was the EH&S (environmental, health and safety) Coordinator and had to promugate the parent company's safety and other rules. I am also a concealed permit holder. i had to look at it from both sides of the fence. The parent company was incorporated in NY city......
The company building was not exactly in the best part of town. Moreover, it was in 1/2 of what was a strip plaza, with other stores there. So, a fenced in lot was out of the question. We had drug buys and COP arrests recorded on the perimeter cameras many times. AT first, no weapons in vehicles in the "company" parking lot. Then Florida passed a law allowing the weapon in a LOCKED car. The company HAD to allow it. But they were very steadfast on: no weapons inside. Very conspicuous signs on the entrace door.
The mainteance man was allowed his "tool" knives but had to be in the tool box when not in use. We were allowed a "multitool" in a visible holster.
The employees asked about lockers just inside the door to store thier guns. Company said: no inside the building etc etc.

one time when coming to the on site manager, I asked about something guns, he said " as much as I like you and your work, if you violate the company rules I will be forced to fire you for cause". End of discussion.

All that said, I have to respect the company rules about not carrying. They can choose what, and its their company.

From what I learned at seminars, an employee who is anti gun could feel intimidated enough to quit, citing hostile environment,justifiably resign from an otherwise good job. Then sue and win.....
There are many scenrios.

The problem is there are many people just plain scared of guns. (whatever reason is not important here). Nothing will change their mind.

I would be against a law which interferred with an owners right to run his company the way he wants and forced him to do things agaist his way of doing things.....


In the above company I worked for, I kept a 9MM in a locked safe in the center console of my SUV, but did not bring it inside.
The job was more important than screaming about my 2nd amendment rights.

[archer51]

Final line from the story:

What do you think?

Really a very simple answer. I think the author is an idiot!

[RightsEroding]

Read my tag line.

[oakchas]

I posted my reply on al.com...

"Whaddarube"

"Community engagement specialist" = pot stirrer.

[DaGunny]

Every business owner has the right to make the decision, one way or the other. I own a business and I made my decision...I CC all day, every day.

[suntzu]

I'm no rabid gun freak, just a "normal" 2A-supporting American, and I like to point out to those who favor a complete ban on handguns that CCP holders are some of the most law-abiding citizens we have. We're pre-vetted and would have a very difficult time getting away with a gun crime. Do people commit violent crimes without giving any thought to "getting away with it"? Oh, those people keep prisons full, but this mindset exists regardless of gun laws, and while guns do make killing easy, a letter opener to the jugular is fatal in three seconds.

That is only because they do not do studies about the crime rate of nuns, they might have us beat If you were to break down other groups in society you can come up with the same stat. The only thing that stat means is people had already committed a crime and can not get a CCP>

As far as being vetted, come on....seriously, how hard is it to get a CCP in a shall issue state or a state with no CCP's? It is not that hard. And got news for ya, employers have a good idea about the back ground of their employee's these days becuase most are doing background and credit checks.

Sorry, I know many CCP holders who may not have committed a crime but are just plain stupid and irresponsible with a gun and other things in thier lives.

Leave it to the employer to decide.

[OldVet]

FL changed its law (The Parking Lot law) to allow firearm carry to work except in limited places. Since then, nothing really changed one way or the other. No Wild West. It's the fear of fear once more.

[oakchas]

That is only because they do not do studies about the crime rate of nuns, they might have us beat If you were to break down other groups in society you can come up with the same stat. The only thing that stat means is people had already committed a crime and can not get a CCP>

As far as being vetted, come on....seriously, how hard is it to get a CCP in a shall issue state or a state with no CCP's? It is not that hard. And got news for ya, employers have a good idea about the back ground of their employee's these days becuase most are doing background and credit checks.

Sorry, I know many CCP holders who may not have committed a crime but are just plain stupid and irresponsible with a gun and other things in thier lives.

Leave it to the employer to decide.

The employer does have a right to decide.... but what harm if an employee puts his firearm in a locked case in a locked vehicle? As Old Vet has said... none.... no bloodshed... just like changing from may issue to shall issue.

Many people work "off shifts" 3-11 pm or 11pm-7 am they may have to stop for gas in unsavory parts of town on the way to or from work.... they may work in unsavory parts of town.... they may be bar managers, taking the night's deposits to the bank drop box... Should the rules of the employer defeat their right to self defense long before or after they have left the premises? Some places have no nearby street or public parking. Yes, working for them is a choice... and carrying or having in your vehicle is also a choice by which you may keep or lose your job... But, if the employer's rules put a person at unnecessary risk of harm outside of work confines... I don't think they should be able to do that.

[suntzu]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I do agree that employers should allow guns to be locked in their vehicles.....Same for dropping kids off at schools and other places deemed no gun zones.