Compliance did not work for the store clerk 2 towns away the night before this indecent. He got killed anyway. The robber took the money the clerk handed over and then killed him. Good thing Devin chased away his robber.Thunder71 said:No, you only see what happened... what you don't see is the potential for things to go horribly wrong.
It worked, this time... and he's lucky.
Doubt it. The robber is human too. He does not want to die either which is why he has a gun for protection. He would know that by shooting the manager, Devin would have shot him and killed him. If anything he might have pointed his gun at Devin and there would have been a stand off. Now the robber would actually have to hit Devin and kill him but what if he wounds him. Devin will fire back. The robber does not want to be shot. I doubt he would have pulled the trigger taking the chance he would be capped. Most criminals are not like the ones you see on TV in made up shows. Most are cowards and will run from an armed civilian. Just as this one did.Thunder71 said:What if he had come in with his gun, causing the robber to shoot the manager in the head (escalating the situation) and the robber escaped?
I repeat. This is the second time the fake beard robber had held up this store. This was Devin's second encounter with him. Clearly he knew this was not a joke. And besides any idiot who dresses up like a criminal to play a "joke" on their friend deserves to get their butt shot by an employee defending their boss and friend.Thunder71 said:What if the 'robber' ended up being a friend of the manager and was playing a bad prank and the employee shot him?
This is just too ridiculous to even comment on. Do you know anything about this story? The fake beard bandit has been running loose in Virginia for almost a year and has hit over 60 locations. But you want to suggest that the AutoZone manager is in cahoots with him. Uh huh.Thunder71 said:What if an investigation shows the the manager was involved in the plot and taking a cut in the 'robberies'?
Your choice to let fear rule your life and decision making because that's all it is. Fear. The police in his town are calling him a hero for his actions.Thunder71 said:Way too many 'what ifs' to risk my life for, and possibly leave my family behind because I'm dead or in prison.
No one is calling it war. It's one human being defending another human being. Yet people see that action as wrong. I have to wonder about those types of people.Thunder71 said:This isn't war,
He was a civilian doing his civic duty and safeguarding a person when there was no officer of the law present. This is actually Constitutionally legal. You should read the US Constitution.Thunder71 said:and I am not an officer of the law - neither was this person
It's legal. You should Google search the laws before commenting and what if'ing.Thunder71 said:what he did may or may not be completely legal where he lives,
What it means is Devin values human life over store policy. His training in dealing with bad guys comes from his time serving in the Air Force. If we can trust him to go to war and kill the enemy then we should be able to trust that he can handle a situation in a store with only one armed criminal.Thunder71 said:but it doesn't mean it was within the policies the store had set on private property.
Apparently you are missing the rat's nest AutoZone is sitting in right now with thousands of people boycotting their stores and sending e-mails to the corporate office and making phone calls and leaving comments on AutoZone's public pages. Just think of all the lost revenue AutoZone will experience and during one of the busiest times of the year in the retail industry. A court case would probably be cheaper than the revenue they will lose to all the boycotts and there is more than just the one on Facebook. Insurance does not cover the lost revenue in this case. There is also a boycott in Canada. Apparently you have no idea how far reaching this is and how much it will end up costing AutoZone, including putting a stigma on what was once a good name in the auto parts industry. They made a hero the criminal. This is what the majority of the people see. AutoZone bigwigs shot themselves in the foot on this one.Thunder71 said:In the end, firing one person is a lot less expensive and less to deal with than opening up the rats nest of what could follow if it's allowed to break policy 'just this once'.
I don't know where your AZs are, but the only people at the ones here are the usual customers. Do you really think that many people care about AZ's policies other than warrenties and returns? No one here does. I seriously doubt the AZ bean counters will see the slightest hiccup in company profits over this.Apparently you are missing the rat's nest AutoZone is sitting in right now with thousands of people boycotting their stores and sending e-mails to the corporate office and making phone calls and leaving comments on AutoZone's public pages. Just think of all the lost revenue AutoZone will experience and during one of the busiest times of the year in the retail industry. A court case would probably be cheaper than the revenue they will lose to all the boycotts and there is more than just the one on Facebook. Insurance does not cover the lost revenue in this case. There is also a boycott in Canada. Apparently you have no idea how far reaching this is and how much it will end up costing AutoZone, including putting a stigma on what was once a good name in the auto parts industry. They made a hero the criminal. This is what the majority of the people see. AutoZone bigwigs shot themselves in the foot on this one.
Not true. Many boycotts have led to change. One example, Walmart use to support gays and gay rights. They no longer support gays because the religious groups boycotted their stores. Walmart caved and removed themselves and their money from the gay rights issue.Boycots are great and a great way of protesting but sadly they lead to nowhere in the end.
No, I have no need to carry.Colleen, maybe I missed it but do you carry?
Yes a shot gun for home protection should I ever need it.Own a gun?
This is really for Devin to understand and he does. He was up to it. As an enlisted man, he was ready to kill to protect his country. The same goes for this incident. He was ready to kill to protect his manager and friend. I would do the same in his situation and I would live with the knowledge that the bad guy lost so the good could live.Do you understand the emotional trauma he would have been faced with every day if he had pulled the trigger, right or wrong?
I have no motive. Only a suspicious person would think I have a motive. I stopped in to read the comments. I disagreed with some and voiced my own thoughts and opinions. Suspicious people have gone after my character because they do not trust me. That's understandable, it's a human trait some carry. I was even accused of pretending to be Devin's aunt in a PM. No wonder these suspicious people feel the need to carry. Trust no one huh? I will leave if it makes you feel more comfortable. Like I said, I just stopped in yesterday to read the comments. Found this site on the internet under the topics about Devin. I saw some comments I took offense to for Devin's sake and thought I'd share my knowledge on him and the type of man he is and that he is better than the man that was being painted here. People keep replying to me so I come back to answer their questions or comments. I'm gracious like that. I do not just ignore a person when they speak to me. If you all are done, I will leave you to your forum and the safety of your friends. It's all good.I'm not really sure what your motive here is anymore.
Who are you talking to? If me, please remind me where I told you how you would handle the situation is wrong? I only remember you telling everyone how Devin handled the situation was wrong because of the multiple what ifs you carry around in your head that would keep you from doing anything but complying in a robbery.See the thing is I've taken training, I've also completed the required course to be able to carry, so for you to tell me my opinion on how I'd handle the situation is wrong or question why I carry, irritates me.
Uh huh and from what I can tell, you only agree when the person is agreeing with you. Great education :smile:That's part of what we do here, discuss these events, examine them from different views, sometimes we learn something new or at least gain another perspective.
Apparently I was not clear either. So??? This means nothing to me. You learned from books that lump people together and teach a one size fits all diagnosis. I have a better education. It's called life and knowing people as individuals, not drones in a beehive. I do not have faith or belief in psychologists, sorry. I do not believe they do anyone any favors. People can help themselves better than a psychologist can.OK, since I wasn't clear in my previous post, I'll spell it out for you. I have a degree in psychology, specifically, behavioral psychology
No, you merely believe you know what you're talking about. Here's an old trick. Look in the mirror and read back everything you say to me.So...when I say that your behavior here is not healthy, I actually know what I'm taking about.
,Look, I know you have trouble reconciling the fact that someone who disagrees with your behavior may actually want to help you
I see me protecting myself and my nephew from self important people who's ego's speak louder than their common sense and who attack people's characters without even knowing them because they have deemed themselves the professionals. Life is a profession. We are all professionals. Get over yourselves and you know which members I mean.If you can go back and read all of your posts and honestly say that you don't see any hostility, then you are being blinded by your loyalty to your nephew
You were being condescending and patronizing. I did not need to take that. I stand up for myself. You push people because you think you have the right because you believe yourself to be some kind of healer. Well you aren't and never will be until you heal yourself. This is why you immerse yourself into other people and fantasize that they have issues when in reality, all you've done is transfer your own issues onto them so you can attempt to fix them there by find away to fix yourself. I've read your books too :smile:You actually don't have to look any farher than your previous post to see what I'm talking about
Nope. Only the hostility you've imagined in your overly suspicious mind. I hope you find a way to help yourself. I am not that way however. Keep your doctoring and imagined diagnosis's away from me. I'm off limits to you Doc Wannabe.No hostility there? Really?
Wow. You really don't get it. You just refuse to get it. Oh, well. Have a good life. I'm out.Apparently I was not clear either. So??? This means nothing to me. You learned from books that lump people together and teach a one size fits all diagnosis. I have a better education. It's called life and knowing people as individuals, not drones in a beehive. I do not have faith or belief in psychologists, sorry. I do not believe they do anyone any favors. People can help themselves better than a psychologist can.
No, you merely believe you know what you're talking about. Here's an old trick. Look in the mirror and read back everything you say to me.
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Why are you attacking my character and trying to play doctor with me on an internet forum? I believe this falls under the guidelines of harassment and defamation of character. I caution you to stop over stepping your boundaries. I need no help, especially not from a stranger on the internet.
I see me protecting myself and my nephew from self important people who's ego's speak louder than their common sense and who attack people's characters without even knowing them because they have deemed themselves the professionals. Life is a profession. We are all professionals. Get over yourselves and you know which members I mean.
You were being condescending and patronizing. I did not need to take that. I stand up for myself. You push people because you think you have the right because you believe yourself to be some kind of healer. Well you aren't and never will be until you heal yourself. This is why you immerse yourself into other people and fantasize that they have issues when in reality, all you've done is transfer your own issues onto them so you can attempt to fix them there by find away to fix yourself. I've read your books too :smile:
Nope. Only the hostility you've imagined in your overly suspicious mind. I hope you find a way to help yourself. I am not that way however. Keep your doctoring and imagined diagnosis's away from me. I'm off limits to you Doc Wannabe.
What I find strange is why you find it so bizarre that an aunt would disagree with people who posted that her nephew did the wrong thing or acted wrong or was not..... blah, blah, blah. Do you have a close relationship with your family? Have you ever had to defend any of them because you felt people were completely wrong in their assessment of them? I came here and saw my nephew being assessed wrongly and analyzed wrongly and I spoke out and you find this strange behavior and unhealthy behavior. Doc, I have to say, your analysis of me defending my nephew from strangers who do not know him, is nuts.