LTCF and drinking?????

This is a discussion on LTCF and drinking????? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by preachertim That is ok to disagree Ken.I am not trying to find common ground for you just a place for me to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by preachertim View Post
    That is ok to disagree Ken.I am not trying to find common ground for you just a place for me to feel confident in the fact that it will be one less thing I have to deal with after the shooting.For me it is not even a Christian reason but personal preference. Just be mindful of the fact that alcohol does not slow reaction time, but are you willing to bet the Life of a Loved one on it as you said. You will only have seconds to respond and I have Lines in the sand now. I don t draw them when I get there if I feel like it. It s worth more to me.
    OK, but what you said was that it is better to be disarmed then armed. You did not say you don't ever have a drink, just "If you plan to drink you should temporarily disarm from the 1st drink." How does that make me better able to "bet the Life of a Loved one" on my ability to defend them?

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    I really don't drink, not a big fan. But if you do plan ahead and leave it behind if you have too

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    I only drink one glass of wine with my wife during supper. At a party with friends I drink what ever sodas they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txron View Post
    In Texas, there is no blood alcohol limit. It is up to the LEO to determine if you are "impaired". For me, that means no alcohol at all while carrying. If I am going to drink, the gun stays at home. Since I chose to carry a gun at all times, then that means I have stopped drinking. It is all about choices. .
    I dunno.

    My preferred situation is that my gun is always on me, like my cell phone. So where legal, both are. I'm not gun-happy nor particularly focused on my gun (or my cell phone)....and it's not just going to jump out and activate itself.

    I may drink, but I do not drink to excess, ever. Pretty sure that was left behind in my college days...if even then.
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    I think it's strange that so many men...out of their 20's...still associate drinking with getting drunk. Many people can and do enjoy drinking for other reasons than getting wasted. I hate drinking 'too much' but I certainly enjoy wines and developing a palate for fine scotch and tequila. I enjoy the taste. And at home, the relaxation.

    Drinking does not equal irresponsibility. However drinking can lead to irresponsibility. So can driving a car. So can carrying a gun...no alcohol required.
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    Yes!!!! Everybody thinks they are the Exception. Guns and alcohol don t Mix . You made the choice not me. Safe family or wine. Is it that Important. I never think it is better to be disarmed.People disarm there selves all the time with bad decisions anyway.Also to answer the Question. You are at full speed and completely aware. Accept the fact you choose alcohol over them.Never a good decision. You really cant have everything you want all the time and always get away with it. Murphy will show up eventually!
    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post
    OK, but what you said was that it is better to be disarmed then armed. You did not say you don't ever have a drink, just "If you plan to drink you should temporarily disarm from the 1st drink." How does that make me better able to "bet the Life of a Loved one" on my ability to defend them?

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    LTCF and drinking?????

    I wasn't speaking of getting plastered.
    I drink whiskey or beer. My Jack is two shots over 4 ice cubes and sipped slowly. I enjoy the flavor.
    My theoretical situation is you go to a friends house or something to help. He offers to fire up the BBQ.
    Two beers later I plan to discuss with my SO weather she wants to drive us home. If she says fine, then I (in a still non-drunk state of mind) will hand my pistol and holster to her (also LTCF!) and continue to have a few more.
    Too many people read half a post and want to jump on people. EXAMPLE: One poster went as far as to admonish me for giving my pistol to my wife and getting her arrested when the OP said she has her LTCF as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preachertim View Post
    Yes!!!! Everybody thinks they are the Exception. Guns and alcohol don t Mix . You made the choice not me. Safe family or wine. Is it that Important. I never think it is better to be disarmed.People disarm there selves all the time with bad decisions anyway.Also to answer the Question. You are at full speed and completely aware. Accept the fact you choose alcohol over them.Never a good decision. You really cant have everything you want all the time and always get away with it. Murphy will show up eventually!
    So, in the end this has noting at all to do with guns or carrying them. You are just a prohibitionist. I will neither give up my right to defend myself and my loved ones or my glass of wine and you, Sir, are a hypocrite.

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    Well Let me thank you for the touch of class you just added to a simple I dont belive people should carry and drink at the same time disagreement.I did not ask you to agree with me or to not drink. Drink eat and be merry. You seem to have it under control . I will just take care of me and my hypocrite self. I do not have to worry about your name calling. I sir am not going to belittle a good forum with what is meant to be a place where we can discuss things. name calling ? Really.Let me know how it works out for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post
    So, in the end this has noting at all to do with guns or carrying them. You are just a prohibitionist. I will neither give up my right to defend myself and my loved ones or my glass of wine and you, Sir, are a hypocrite.

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    I go out and get plastered on Pepsi while carrying concealed. I don't see the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    I think it's strange that so many men...out of their 20's...still associate drinking with getting drunk. Many people can and do enjoy drinking for other reasons than getting wasted. I hate drinking 'too much' but I certainly enjoy wines and developing a palate for fine scotch and tequila. I enjoy the taste. And at home, the relaxation.

    Drinking does not equal irresponsibility. However drinking can lead to irresponsibility. So can driving a car. So can carrying a gun...no alcohol required.
    The thing here is that alcohol impairs your faculties. Even just one drink causes impairment. That's a fact. The only variable is how impaired you become, and that is a factor of how many drinks you have, among other things. So speaking for myself, no, I will not drink while carrying. Of course, I am not on a campaign to stop everybody from drinking while carrying. That is a personal decision that every one of us has to make. I was simply replying to a question that was posed by the OP on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    The thing here is that alcohol impairs your faculties. Even just one drink causes impairment. That's a fact. The only variable is how impaired you become, and that is a factor of how many drinks you have, among other things. So speaking for myself, no, I will not drink while carrying. Of course, I am not on a campaign to stop everybody from drinking while carrying. That is a personal decision that every one of us has to make. I was simply replying to a question that was posed by the OP on the subject.
    I agree, it can. However, *I* still do not drunk-dial people on my cell when drinking. I do not drink and drive. I do not get into fights when drinking.

    I choose to not drink to that point. So why would I lose that judgement just because I had my gun with me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    I agree, it can. However, *I* still do not drunk-dial people on my cell when drinking. I do not drink and drive. I do not get into fights when drinking.

    I choose to not drink to that point. So why would I lose that judgement just because I had my gun with me?
    You seem to be arguing against an assertion I never made. Here is my last post, in its entirety:

    "The thing here is that alcohol impairs your faculties. Even just one drink causes impairment. That's a fact. The only variable is how impaired you become, and that is a factor of how many drinks you have, among other things. So speaking for myself, no, I will not drink while carrying. Of course, I am not on a campaign to stop everybody from drinking while carrying. That is a personal decision that every one of us has to make. I was simply replying to a question that was posed by the OP on the subject."

    See, in no way did I say or intimate that you shouldn't enjoy a drink (or two, or whatever you choose) while carrying. That choice is yours to make. I simply stated that I choose not to do so, and I gave supportive reasons as to why I make that choice.

    We're actually on the same page. We both believe that each individual should make an informed decision as to whether to drink, and how much. I choose not to drink at all. You choose to have a drink or two. It's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinFool View Post
    You seem to be arguing against an assertion I never made. Here is my last post, in its entirety:

    "The thing here is that alcohol impairs your faculties. Even just one drink causes impairment. That's a fact. The only variable is how impaired you become, and that is a factor of how many drinks you have, among other things. So speaking for myself, no, I will not drink while carrying. Of course, I am not on a campaign to stop everybody from drinking while carrying. That is a personal decision that every one of us has to make. I was simply replying to a question that was posed by the OP on the subject."

    See, in no way did I say or intimate that you shouldn't enjoy a drink (or two, or whatever you choose) while carrying. That choice is yours to make. I simply stated that I choose not to do so, and I gave supportive reasons as to why I make that choice.

    We're actually on the same page. We both believe that each individual should make an informed decision as to whether to drink, and how much. I choose not to drink at all. You choose to have a drink or two. It's all good.
    Your assertion is that alcohol impairs judgement. I agreed.

    However I pointed out that impairment does not necessarily mean complete..or even major... loss of judgement. And I gave a few examples where I have managed to safely function after imbibing alcohol, over a lifetime. Each individual is different in the amount that they tolerate and that also means we handle our behavior differently.
    Fortune favors the bold.

    Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free.

    The thing about "defense" is that it has practically nothing to do with guns. (As passed on by CCW9MM)

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