LTCF and drinking?????

This is a discussion on LTCF and drinking????? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 9MMare Your assertion is that alcohol impairs judgement. I agreed. However I pointed out that impairment does not necessarily mean complete..or even ...

Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 234567 LastLast
Results 76 to 90 of 93
Like Tree72Likes

Thread: LTCF and drinking?????

  1. #76
    VIP Member Array SmokinFool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    2,297
    Quote Originally Posted by 9MMare View Post
    Your assertion is that alcohol impairs judgement. I agreed.

    However I pointed out that impairment does not necessarily mean complete..or even major... loss of judgement. And I gave a few examples where I have managed to safely function after imbibing alcohol, over a lifetime. Each individual is different in the amount that they tolerate and that also means we handle our behavior differently.
    I'm with you, except for one detail, and that is that alcohol not only impairs judgement, it also impairs motor function. Even after just one drink, the process of impairment has begun. I am simply stating that because of this, I choose not to drink while carrying. But again, it comes down to personal choice and responsibility, knowing your limits. If you can function well after having a couple or three drink, go for it.

    We're stating the same thing as far as how we feel about the subject generically, we're just approaching it from different perspectives. I make a motion that we agree to agree. Do I hear a second?
    preachertim likes this.

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #77
    VIP Member Array TedBeau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Bay City
    Posts
    2,269
    Quote Originally Posted by hardluk1 View Post
    easy for me . I started CC'n when it became legel back in florida some 25 or 26 years ago. Thats when I finally sobbered up and stopped drinking too. I don't drink, at all. Read states laws carefully and you may find CC'n and any alchohol could be trouble. NC is ZERO amount. even a .o1 could be a dui with a firearm.
    Same here in Michigan. if your carrying you cannot have ANY alchohol! I have had exactly one beer since I started carrying 4 years ago and my daughter bought me that one at a concert for my birthday. I wouldn't have even had that one except she bought it before I realized she was going to. If she had asked I would have just asked for a diet coke.
    preachertim likes this.

  4. #78
    RAL
    RAL is offline
    Member Array RAL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Fly over country
    Posts
    118
    I watched a test one time on alcohol, personal estimation of imparement, and ability to function. Without exception the personal estimation of imparement was low. They did the ability to function test and asked test takers how they thought they had done, and received pretty much the same response. They brought the test takers back 24 hours later, and let them watch the video tape of their estimations, and their function tests. The test takers saw that they were much more impared than they recognized at the time and had no idea how badly they had done on the function test.

    The conclusion is that we are not good judges of our own abilities when we drink alcohol - even a little alcohol.

    Am I saying you can't drink? No! But be honest with yourself and realize that, in most instances, with alcohol, you will think you are more able to function than you really are.
    preachertim likes this.
    I know Whose I am. I know where I'm going. I know the job I'm to do while I'm here. I am an ambassador. This is not my home.

    Evil prospers when good people to do nothing. Please don't turn your back. ACT!

  5. #79
    Member Array Nebraska12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Omaha Metro
    Posts
    493
    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerfield View Post
    If I am going someplace where I will be having any amount of alcohol, I leave it home. Just like drinking and driving...... DON"T
    Ditto....
    preachertim likes this.
    'Fortes Fortuna Juvat'
    NRA Member
    NRA Life of Duty Member

  6. #80
    Senior Member Array rljohns's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    1,038
    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post
    Is this just your opinion or can you cite case(s)? I have looked and could not find a single case where an otherwise good self defense shooting turned into something else because of drinking by the defender. So, for me, this is just urban myth.



    So, in some states it is legal to carry a firearm and consume adult beverages. Here, in Nevada, the legal limit for drinking and carrying is 0.10 bac (dui is 0.08) so I can drink quite a bit and still be legal to carry.



    Being a resposible drinker is being a responsible drinker. I think you just don't trust yourself to behave like an adult once you have started to drink. I do trust myself. I agree, those who cannot have a drink and continue to behave should not drink. But this has nothing to do with guns!




    So, in your view, if I go out to eat with my wife and have a glass of wine with my meal I should no longer be allowed to defend her against attackers! I disagree.

    Ken
    I agree with you Ken. Here in Colorado we are not allow to be under the influence and be armed. Case law suggests that is the same as DUI (0.08 BAC). We also have a term DWAI which is a judgement call. I won't drink enough to be even close to DUI and drive, likewise with CCW. One glass of wine with dinner and no drinking if I'm not eating. I also don't like to be far away from home and drink anyway. If I am in my own home then I may drink some, but never to intoxication. I also have a Nevada CCW and like the laws in Nevada. If I'm dead does it really matter if I was drinking?? I obviously was not able to protect myself because I left my CCW at home or my motor skill were impared. Either way is dead, no Mulligans.

  7. #81
    Senior Member Array rljohns's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    1,038
    Quote Originally Posted by RAL View Post
    I watched a test one time on alcohol, personal estimation of imparement, and ability to function. Without exception the personal estimation of imparement was low. They did the ability to function test and asked test takers how they thought they had done, and received pretty much the same response. They brought the test takers back 24 hours later, and let them watch the video tape of their estimations, and their function tests. The test takers saw that they were much more impared than they recognized at the time and had no idea how badly they had done on the function test.

    The conclusion is that we are not good judges of our own abilities when we drink alcohol - even a little alcohol.

    Am I saying you can't drink? No! But be honest with yourself and realize that, in most instances, with alcohol, you will think you are more able to function than you really are.
    This is true, that is how drivers in Colorado end up with a DWAI. Add high altitude and it is even worse. That is why I never drink on the Golf Course. It affects my motor skills. I guess so at the end of the day I need to not drink away from home. So much for the wine I spoke of earlier.

  8. #82
    Senior Member Array 45ACP4ever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    697
    I had an issue dealing with this last night. I drove for the family when we went out to dinner last night. I left my .38 locked in my glove box since I knew I'd have a beer or two. I ended up drinking only one, but that was enough for me not to want to carry a firearm.
    "It is your evil that will be sought by us. With every breath we will hunt them down. Each day we will spill their blood, until it rains down from the skies. Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles that every man from every faith can embrace." -McManus twins Boondock Saints

  9. #83
    Senior Member Array KBSR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Gulf Coast, MS
    Posts
    653
    I know it runs against the grain for this forum, but I never disarm, except within the confines of my castle, temporary or permanent. Just don't do it. I'm good with it if you want to, but I won't. We used to have a policy with everyone dropping their pistols on top of a refrigerator when alcohol was involved, but then you got drunks handling pistols, at the end of the evening, and while we never had any problems, it's a risk not worth taking.

    I realize that complacency can result in fatalities and alcohol further compounds this, but so can being unarmed, when you're used to being armed at all times. I don't handle my holstered sidearm any more or any less. It's holstered when I put my pants on, and unholstered when I take them off. If I need it, I need it. I also don't drink to excess any longer. Old age does have benefits. :)
    MikeFontenot likes this.

  10. #84
    Distinguished Member Array chuckusaret's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    SE Florida
    Posts
    1,627
    I have SecureIt safe in each of my vehicles bolted under the seats to secure my weapons when there is a need to do so. I also have long gun locks in the trunk of my vehicle. Do I drink? yes, but never to the excess.
    US Army 1953-1977

    ‘‘We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.’’
    — Abraham Lincoln

  11. #85
    Distinguished Member Array Ghettokracker71's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Under a rock.
    Posts
    1,763
    Quote Originally Posted by kmagnuss View Post
    I don't drink while I have a gun on me. Part of being a responsible gun owner is being a responsible gun owner.
    This. Don't carry if you plan on drinking, don't drink if you are carrying.

    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACP4ever View Post
    I had an issue dealing with this last night. I drove for the family when we went out to dinner last night. I left my .38 locked in my glove box since I knew I'd have a beer or two. I ended up drinking only one, but that was enough for me not to want to carry a firearm.
    Wait, so you were uncomfortable with a firearm but comfortable driving a car?


    "To blame a gun for a mans decision is to foolishly attribute free will to an inanimate object"- Colion Noir.

  12. #86
    Member Array MikeFontenot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Boulder, Colorado
    Posts
    162
    Quote Originally Posted by 45ACP4ever View Post
    I left my .38 locked in my glove box since I knew I'd have a beer or two. I ended up drinking only one, but that was enough for me not to want to carry a firearm.
    When you have a drink or two at home, do you first unload all your guns in the house, and take them over to your neighbor's for safekeeping?

  13. #87
    Member Array Frado's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Some where in Michigan
    Posts
    126
    My neighbor came over the other day to visit and to have a nice cold Sudsss with conversation. The first thing I did was disarm myself at the kitchen table by unloading magazine from my 1911.

  14. #88
    Member Array BamaAlum97's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Tulsa, OK
    Posts
    48

    LTCF and drinking?????

    I keep a gun safe in the car. If I am out and have a drink, the gun goes into the safe prior to the first sip. If I am home, it goes into the home safe.

  15. #89
    Member Array ballfroguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    70
    Speaking of drinking hate to steal a thread.but..... What if I went out drinking and came home drunk. As I lay in my bed guys break in and start to in ade my house. I'm drunk but mentally there to know shtf and I need to protect myself and do by stopping the threat with deadly force. Am I ok??? Or screwed??

  16. #90
    Distinguished Member Array hardluk1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    nc mountains
    Posts
    1,315
    Guess that be deside by how good a lawyer you have and the grand jurys review.

Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 234567 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search tags for this page

can you get a ltcf in pa if you had 2 dui
,
drinking with an ltcf
,
how someone with dui get ltcf in pa
,
its been over 2 weeks since i applied for my pa ltcf
,
ltcf alcohol pennsylvania
,
ltcf funny
,

ltcf in pa vs ccw

,

ltcf pa

,

pa ltcf and dui

,
pa ltcf is it good in michigan
,
pa ltcf k-12 court house casino
,
pa ltcf laws intoxication
Click on a term to search for related topics.