This is a discussion on Immigrants With Guns... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by peacefuljeffrey Isn't that inaccurate to say? They may lose the right to keep and bear arms, and particularly the right to carry ...
2) A legal temporary resident (e.g. H-1B work visa holder) or even a visitor (tourist visa or visa waiver) can have a gun under the following circumstances (from the 1968 gun control act, section 922 subsection y):
So in theory Mr Terrorist could (if allowed to legally enter the US) get a hunting permit and use that to get a gun.(y) PROVISIONS RELATING TO ALIENS ADMITTED UNDER NONIMMIGRANT VISAS.:
(1) DEFINITIONS.:In this subsection:
(A) the term "alien" has the same meaning as in section 101(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(3));and
(B) the term "nonimmigrant visa" has the same meaning as in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)).
(2) EXCEPTIONS.:Subsections (d)(5)(B), (g)(5)(B), and(s)(3)(B)(v)(II) do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that alien is:
(A) admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States;
(B) an official representative of a foreign government who is:
(i) accredited to the United States Government or the Government's mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States;or
(ii) en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited;
(C) an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State;or
(D) a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
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I don't think thats a valid comparison. A valid comparison would be that when you went to Canada, do you have the same rights as every other Canadian? You do.
Surely you are not saying that an immigrant should follow thier laws and not American laws when living in the USA? Because thats what your argument is based on.
And as becoming a Permanent Resident carries all kinds of investigations into your suitability as a person to live in the USA, these aren't just any old schmo coming in to the country. Non-immigrant aliens have less checks (the infamous student visa is one of these), but other than the exceptions posted earlier, they are not allowed to own guns anyway.
Fact is, Permanent Residents often have American families and are only not citizens because the law says they need to wait. Pretty much everyone here is an immigrant, or descendents of one. Once you start saying it's OK to exclude certain groups, then it's only a matter of time before you end up in the next group slated to be ineligible to posses firearms.
I've been in this country 30+ of my 34 years. I was born in Bermuda and made an Austrian citizen because it was what my father wanted. I have very little remembrance of ever having lived in Bermuda.
I'm as American as anyone born in this country - more so than anyone four years younger than me because I've been here longer!
The only things I can't do are:
- Buy a gun without more paperwork
- Become president
Other than that, I have all of the rights and obligations that the luck of having been born within these borders entails, including selective service registration.
I still have an Austrian passport because when I was young I thought one day it would be cool to work in Europe for a year or two and easier due to EU citizenship. Now I know I'll never do it and so I have the paperwork on my kitchen counter to become a citizen; but it's hard to document 30 years of trips and I've never finished filling it out. Plus, there's no rush because the ONLY benefit is voting, and that brings confusion. Someday, but who cares?
It was exactly the same as for anyone except:
- I had to get 3 sequential months of utility bills from two different providers
- I had to fill in my A number
- The computer was down when the seller called for the background check, so they called back 3 hours later, by which time I was home and therefore went back the next day to complete the purchase.
Otherwise, if I'd have had the utility bills sitting around it would have been done in essentially the same amount of time as it takes a citizen.
Got it. Can't shed any light on that process - it was done when I was a kid.
I hear that the citizenship process is only 6 months or so now, though.
Just a quick response on this one.
You have to be a legal resident for 5 years before you can apply to go for naturalized citizen.
The 6 month thing came out of a Congressional requirement for the IMMENSE backlog the pen pushers had piled up ('cause there is little if any accountability or ownership....) being cleared so that the paperwork processing should not take more than 6'ish months. Of course, like any bureaucracy, they have cheerfully completed this.....
As a Green Card holder (it's actually a pale beige and harder to forge than a passport now) I am expected, to amongst other things, to register for selective service.........So, I can be called up, fight and die, but can't personally own a firearm...?
Don't even get me started on voting....
***** RANT ON****
According to the Federal government and the relevent laws a GC holder is not only entitled to vote for those areas that do not affect the national landscape (President/Senate/Congress), you are actively encouraged.
When you get your GC, you get a nice little pamphlet discussing the rights and obligations of the democratic process and especially "Go Vote".... "....."where not prohibited".
So, since I live in NJ (definition of a good politician is one who stays bought) damn right I want to vote for my mayor, town council and state reps.......Except the state constitution prohibits me in a teeny tiny little through away line.
I got all the way to the DA for constitutional affairs who agreed this is not only unfair but discriminatory. There was of course the traditional...."No taxation without representation" speech from me..
The upshot is, I'm encouraged, allowed, permitted and also barred.
But I can legally have weapons (although as mentioned earlier you can run into a lottttttttt of hassle) so I shoot as often as possible and periodically vent.
As one of my old sergeants used to say. "WE do not play at spray and play.......Do we.... Sir....."
Remember children, when we have removed the pin from Mr Grenade, Mr Grenade is no longer our friend......
In my case three years - having been married to US lady since 2000. 2002, green card finally obtained. Nov 2004 conditional status reviewed - interview of self and wife to check if we still married Changed to unconditional.You have to be a legal resident for 5 years before you can apply to go for naturalized citizen.
Early 2005 three years was up and began naturalization process (stump up $390!) - $70 just for electronic finger printing (despite set already on record) - then final interview early Sept 2005. Sworn in Sept 28 2005
Still a long haul - and quite costly.
Chris - P95
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is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."
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I'm confused; not sure if you get a green card as a legal resident, or only when you obtain citizenship.
Isn't "naturalized citizen" a person who has now obtained U.S. citizenship? If so, are you still saying (everalm) that you can't buy a firearm??
To those saying that all but "Native Americans" are "immigrants too"...
I AM a Native American. I was born in America. I am not what you would call an "American Indian," if that's what you're getting at.
But then again, would you say that a person born in France is not a "Native Frenchman" because despite the fact that he was born there, his ancestors did not occupy that land since the dawn of mankind, so really they stole it from its TRUE natives, meaning that he's actually an immigrant like everyone else living in France?