If you we're there at a mass shooting

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    If you we're there at a mass shooting

    With two mass shootings this week, I have to wonder what could happen if, as a legal CCW, you happen to be there. Not the less likely scenario where you actually have a chance to take out the bad guy, but rather the more likely scenario where you're some what further away but in the same building and you get herded to a back room and are later escorted out by the police. With emotions running high, what if during that evacuation it's discovered that you're carrying? I can picture all sorts of negative outcomes and it makes me wonder if CCW has more risks than benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atcs2152 View Post
    With two mass shootings this week, I have to wonder what could happen if, as a legal CCW, you happen to be there. Not the less likely scenario where you actually have a chance to take out the bad guy, but rather the more likely scenario where you're some what further away but in the same building and you get herded to a back room and are later escorted out by the police. With emotions running high, what if during that evacuation it's discovered that you're carrying? I can picture all sorts of negative outcomes and it makes me wonder if CCW has more risks than benefits.
    Quit carrying. simple.

    I carry a permit. Won't take LEO, even with his "high emotions", long to discover that I'm a law abiding citizen.

    If, even in the immediate aftermath of battle, my weapon was spotted, I would expect to be proned out and searched... I could live with that...if my hands go no where near my weapon, and it is seen on my hip... I don't expect to be "back shot" 'cause they saw a gun in a holster.

    I think maybe my tongue in cheek post welcoming Paco back may have been prescient... we need to become DC, Delicious Cooking... and all of us just give up... this crazy notion of protecting ourselves and our loved ones....

    Baklava, anyone?
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    "it makes me wonder if CCW has more risks than benefits. "

    Like the benefit of being shot dead without being able to fight back? I'll take my risks, thank you.
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    Seems to me that if word got out that a bunch of people were CC'ing in a situation like this and none of them fired a shot, the public would be wondering why none of them did anything.

    It goes both ways. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

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    You could be in hot water because it seems to me that mass shootings more often than not only happen in "gun free zones"! I will take my chances.
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    You pose an interesting question. I would have faith that the LEO involved would be able to determine the appropriate level of imediate threat based on actions and demeanor and proximity of hand to weapon. I would certainly be sure to not make any sudden moves and expect to be detained, but I can live with that. I would rather take the chance trusting the LEO than hoping a nutjob doesn't come into the room I am in.
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    Surely there would be enough witnesses to say, "He's not the one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by atcs2152 View Post
    With two mass shootings this week, I have to wonder what could happen if, as a legal CCW, you happen to be there. Not the less likely scenario where you actually have a chance to take out the bad guy, but rather the more likely scenario where you're some what further away but in the same building and you get herded to a back room and are later escorted out by the police. With emotions running high, what if during that evacuation it's discovered that you're carrying? I can picture all sorts of negative outcomes and it makes me wonder if CCW has more risks than benefits.
    What exactly are you wondering would be the risks of a law abiding citizen legally carrying a concealed firearm?

    Are you wondering if my gun is going to turn me into a psychopath and I'm all of a sudden going to start shooting innocent people?

    Are you wondering if the LEOs are going to start shooting innocent people who are legally carrying a concealed firearm when these innocent people pose no threat?

    Just what is it that you are wondering?

    Seems like you might be wondering about certain irrational thoughts that you are having and you might be have some doubts about how you might act during the situation you described.

    Some people on this forum make some awfully strange posts and pose some odd and disturbing questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    What exactly are you wondering would be the risks of a law abiding citizen legally carrying a concealed firearm?

    Are you wondering if my gun is going to turn me into a psychopath and I'm all of a sudden going to start shooting innocent people?

    Are you wondering if the LEOs are going to start shooting innocent people who are legally carrying a concealed firearm when these innocent people pose no threat?

    Just what is it that you are wondering?

    Seems like you might be wondering about certain irrational thoughts that you are having and you might be have some doubts about how you might act during the situation you described.

    Some people on this forum make some awfully strange posts and pose some odd and disturbing questions.
    Wow, thanks for that. First time I've been flamed here. I didn't realize I was being provocative.

    None of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llmstratocaster View Post
    Seems to me that if word got out that a bunch of people were CC'ing in a situation like this and none of them fired a shot, the public would be wondering why none of them did anything. It goes both ways. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

    What the public needs to realize, is that people carry for their own and families protection, not to play LEO or to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the street. If they don't value their safety enough to protect themselves, why should I worry about them.
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    I don't think you question is overly provocative, but rather just a question from someone who's perhaps not had a lot of contact with law enforcement while carrying. We all start somewhere my friend, and it's OK.

    I'd not wait for the cops to discover I was armed, but rather I'd bring it up, so they knew as soon as practical. Just like when you're stopped while driving a vehicle. Keep your hands away from the weapon, while you're discussing it, and all will work out well. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd rather NOT be armed. Just my .02. Be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atcs2152 View Post
    With two mass shootings this week, I have to wonder what could happen if, as a legal CCW, you happen to be there. Not the less likely scenario where you actually have a chance to take out the bad guy, but rather the more likely scenario where you're some what further away but in the same building and you get herded to a back room and are later escorted out by the police. With emotions running high, what if during that evacuation it's discovered that you're carrying? I can picture all sorts of negative outcomes and it makes me wonder if CCW has more risks than benefits.
    Since it will likely be 10 minutes or more for the police to get there; who is going to herd me anywhere? I'll have the wife go to a backroom, but as an 'ole Jarhead I'll go to the sound of the gunfire. Jarheads don't do well hiding, that's why we dig FIGHTING holes not foxholes. If you don't understand that's OK; it's a MARINE thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atcs2152 View Post
    Wow, thanks for that. First time I've been flamed here.
    Really? I started taking heat after my first post, and you made it all the way to 22.
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    "it makes me wonder if CCW has more risks than benefits. "
    Avoiding being a disarmed victim has a fairly towering benefit: life, via surviving the situation.

    Minor issues such as rare ND's and occasional injury to innocents seems a small price to pay for survival.

    None of which has to do with surviving "mass-murder," active-shooter type situations, IMO.
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    Nobody knows how they may react with or without a CCW and I have been carring since 1955 and I can't answer, I have been a LEO and I can't answer and I have been in the military still have no answer. All I can say is pray that you are never put in that place
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