Cc'ing in the Mall of America

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    OK - guys, gals, help me out here. The OP in this thread is asking about concealed carry.

    If you are carrying concealed, then nobody knows that you are carrying, yes?

    Let's be more specific: Your gun isn't showing.

    So how is this a problem?
    Because he is specifically asking about the legalities involved if he happens to get "caught" due to some sort of unintentional display; like his example of his shirt accidentally riding up and sticking behind the grip.

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    I know it's not what you're asking, but get in the habit of giving your concealing garment, whether it's a t shirt, hoodie, sportcoat or jacket, a tug periodically and any time you bend or reach. Unless you carry a massive hog's leg super magnum and dress ultra sexy, you really shouldn't have to worry. No one will be scrutinizing you that closely.

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    Always carry & if its concealed properly no one will even know. Better to have it with you than wish you did, and the MOA parking ramp is a prime spot for getting mugged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    OK - guys, gals, help me out here. The OP in this thread is asking about concealed carry.

    If you are carrying concealed, then nobody knows that you are carrying, yes?

    Let's be more specific: Your gun isn't showing.

    So how is this a problem?
    It is not a problem, unless there is someone that knows you have a ccw on you (say, one of your "friends") and reports it to security. At that point security will likely inform you that guns are prohibited in the premises of the mall and ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave, then you are trespassed (misdemeanor, $25 fine).
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    Concealed is concealed.
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    For one, if it is concealed you should not have the problem.

    For two, I would rather talk to the cops than to saint peter.

    for three, I will take my chances with the twelve vs the six.
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    Re: Cc'ing in the Mall of America

    I appreciate that the OP is questioning the legalities of his decisions. By intentionally disobeying established laws as a CC permit holder, in the long run, could do more harm than good. How can we tout that we are law abiding citizens exercising a right, when some of us obviously do not? That kind of attitude can eventually hurt us all. It's already been well established that they lump us all into one big group, good and bad.

    I cannot stand that I would be associated with individuals that plan to circumvent the law because 'concealed is concealed'. If you don't like it, shop somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mn0341 View Post
    Arkhasylum, but you cannot be trespassed there as a mall rents out its property, the only people who can legally kick me out or have me trespassed are the individual stores within the mall. And this is the reason I am asking I can only be trespassed by the individual store an be escorted back out of the store but I can still be legally in the mall. Mind you I do not want to be a test case and that's the reason I'm am asking all your thoughts. What do you say now, I am real curious now.
    Sure, individual stores rent their space, but the property surrounding it is mall property. You have to pass through mall property to get to the individual stores. IMO, any worries you have are with the mall security. They can legally trespass you, and it really doesn't even have to be because of any firearms you are carrying. Property owners can bounce you for any reason.

    I'm not sure what you're curious about. If you have a permit to carry and you have a form of concealment, bring your firearm - it is legal to do so. You want to open carry at the MOA, good luck with that.

    Regardless of your choice, have a good time at the mall.


    To those who question the legality of carrying in a requested no carry area, the statute that I mentioned (and linked to) in my original post details the law in Minnesota. Other than state mandated no carry areas (schools, mental health facilities, courts, etc.), 'no firearms' signage does not legally prohibit one from carrying a firearm in those premises within the state of Minnesota.
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    I cannot stand that I would be associated with individuals that plan to circumvent the law because 'concealed is concealed'. If you don't like it, shop somewhere else.

    Perhaps you can enlighten me; What law(s) do i plan to circumvent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmbr5ml View Post
    ... Unless you carry a massive hog's leg super magnum and dress ultra sexy, you really shouldn't have to worry. ....
    Heck, at 57 and 400 lbs, if I dressed ultra sexy it would make folks look the other way and they would completely miss my hogleg. Problem solved!

    And the bad guys wouldn't come anywhere near me. Nobody else would, of course, but that just means I have better access to the sale tables.

    Hm. Maybe I've figured out why folks dress as they do at Wal Mart...

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    Re: Cc'ing in the Mall of America

    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    Perhaps you can enlighten me; What law(s) do i plan to circumvent?
    I'm not talking about you directly. I don't know the laws in your area and have no idea where you are from. I apologize for not being more clear.

    All I can speak for are the restrictions in my area. Posted facilities carry the weight of law. Some, unfortunately, have that attitude - that it does not matter. I am of the opinion that it does. It's potentially criminal and makes us all look bad. Just because they aren't caught, does not mean it isn't wrong. The depth of a man's character is best judged by his actions when he thinks no one is looking.

    Again, I did not mean anything personal by you. But, what you said did remind me of how much that irritates me.

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    Cc'ing in the Mall of America

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    As far as the laws are concerned, he would be legal to carry. Minnesota is a permit to carry state, so he can choose concealed or open. If they ask him to leave and he complies, no foul. If he does not comply, then it's a misdemeanor trespass. I would carry concealed to avoid any chance of being asked to leave.
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    I'm guessing you didn't get the memo regarding the shooting at the Clackamas Mall in Portland, Oregon on Dec. 12th this year. (which by the way was stopped by a ccw holder).

    This is a very simple thing as far as I'm concerned.

    1) I would never go to a mall without carrying my gun. Especially during Christmas time! End of story!

    If you need further explanation...

    2) If you live in a state where it is a crime (misdemeanor or felony) to violate a posted sign on a business establishment, then do not go. There are a few states which make it a crime to violated posted establishments.

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    If you live in a state (like Missouri, Florida and many others) where it is not a crime to violate a posted establishment, then point #1 applies.

    In those states, nothing happens if they ask you to leave, and you comply with the request. The laws are specifically written that way for a reason. Excercise your right and carry on.

    If asked to leave, then obey the request. Don't make a scene, don't create trouble... Just act like the law abiding citizen that you are and abide by their request.

    I am continually dumbfounded as to why people continue to grapple with such a simple and straightforward situation.
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    How in God's name would anyone know you are carrying concealed? Keep it concealed, keep safe...
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