This is a discussion on Carry overkill within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Ghost1958
A few of us dont deal in what ifs but rather what did and what can again. Without going into the ...
December 27th, 2012 01:42 AM
Originally Posted by Ghost1958
I am sorry for your loss.
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December 27th, 2012 01:42 AM
December 27th, 2012 03:50 AM
Won't be popular but to answer your question the most knowledgeable way to me:
WON'T BE POPULAR BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN WHAT SEEMS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE WAY POSSIBLE TO ME:
Originally Posted by mushmouth33
The more one focuses on the prevention of one danger the more preoccupied in fear the person can become with that danger, and that causes more prevention; but it's now prevention against the fear - not the facts.
At this point it becomes neurotic, neurotic meaning displaced and unbalanced reactions to the actual cause.
You can do things to partially protect from danger. But protecting from fear is impossible because the very preoccupation causes it. I.e, the person is producing the feelings he's trying to protect himself from and every time he tries more to protect himself he grows more afraid.
So, SOMETIMES, with guns. Therefore, a person living in a very safe area carries at home all the time and leaves the house with a massive pistol and 2 extra magazines + an ankle gun. Next year, it will be two ankle guns, left and right and 3 spare mags. And he'll still be the most fearful person in the neighborhood.
I CCW in one set of conditions where there is a realistic increase of danger from the norm, a norm which is quite safe from street crime. Does that mean I'm immune in these other, more "normal" conditions. Course not. But the stats are the same then for me being a victim of street crime as for almost any random event happening that no one thinks of or bothers themselves much about: getting hit by a train at a crossing, catching a terminal staph-like infection from holding onto a railing, being killed by a flash-flood from a nearby river (that never has had a flash flood) or just getting hit by a car crossing the street. Anything can happen anytime and you'd drive yourself insane constantly attempting protection from it all. So you make a leap of faith, keep an eye out when appropriate, and enjoy your day.
If one is constantly around a huge amount of violent crime, it's different. Then CCWing the huge pistol etc is a real reaction to a real condition.
Best thing is to act in accordance with reality for guns and defense - and that is different person to person.
December 27th, 2012 04:35 AM
In response to Ghost1958's post. I'm darn sorry to read that (putting it mildly). I pray to God that none of us are ever put at such risk we have to make the decision to take a life, just as I pray the majority of citizenry become aware of the risks of being unprepared and defenseless. God Bless!
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December 27th, 2012 06:36 AM
We pilots have a saying, "It's better to be down here wishing we were up there than being up there wishing we were down here. Changing that just a bit for this thread, "It's better to have extra firepower along and not need it than needing extra firepower and not having it along."
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December 27th, 2012 08:19 AM
That reminds me of a documentary I saw last week on how cities (in this case Memphis) were tearing down section 8 housing and giving the families vouchers to go live in "nicer" areas of town. The crime followed.
Originally Posted by breakingcontact
December 27th, 2012 09:58 AM
This posting has gotten 9 pages of response... and none from me... until now.
Carry what you want... within the limits of the law in your area.
Carry what makes sense to you... within the limits of the law in your area.
Carry as often as you want... within the limits of the law in your area.
Carry where you want... within the limits of the law in your area.
Or if you don't want to carry... frame your permit and put it on the wall, you don't need it.
It could be worse!
December 27th, 2012 11:29 AM
I am comfortable with what and how I carry. I carry the same way 365. Nothing extreme but enough to cover all of the bases, I hope. I carry insurance on my house and vehicles. My weapon(s) is my BG insurance policy.
We have different gifts,according to the grace given to each of us.
December 27th, 2012 12:51 PM
No such thing as "overkill"...
Once you reach the point of "kill" that's it...
Unless you believe in zombies I guess...
Anything that a law-abiding citizen decides to carry and remains legal gets a from me!!!
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December 27th, 2012 01:28 PM
The original poster hasn't been around for several days, and has put up a total of three posts, all within a half hour of each other. I don't think he is really paying attention.
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December 27th, 2012 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Mike1956
Talk amongst yourselves...
It could be worse!
December 27th, 2012 02:12 PM
Or, option 5, he could be exactly what he says he is. A country boy wondering why all the city kids carry so many guns.
Originally Posted by 1911_Kimber
I sometimes wonder why people carry so many guns - I've read about people on here with two guns, two knives, and some sort of spray. If I thought that's what I might need, I'd move to where I didn't think that.
I have quite a few carry guns, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've carried more than one, and those times were just because I'd gotten a new pocket pistol (LCP one time, P238 the other), wanted to try it out, but didn't trust it enough to leave the Glock home.
I live in rural south central PA. Crime is a third below the national average - the closest town, 5 or 6 miles away, averages one murder every two or three years. That said, someone shot up an Amish school and killed a bunch of innocent kids not too far from here. There are nut cases every place. So I carry all day, every day, every place it's legal. Sometimes it's an LCP, sometimes it's a Glock 36, or Glock 26, or Glock 19 (I haven't carried the XDs or Glock 17 yet). I carry as much gun as I can comfortably hide, and one spare magazine. We keep the doors locked. We don't answer the door after dark if we aren't expecting anybody. I don't answer the door unarmed. My home defense weapon of choice is a 20-GA pump shotgun loaded with 3" magnum #2 buck. But my Glock 19 with night sights and rail light is in the bed side safe.
The first thing I do when I get in my car is lock the door. I sit in the seat that gives the best view of the entrance at the table we get in restaurants. When I can I pick the table. I scan parking lots looking for something unusual when we leave the mall, or the store. My wife is used to it by now, she scans too.
Once we saw a group of young men sitting in a car looking at us. We went back in the mall. When we came back out 15 minutes later they were still in the same car, but in a different location farther from where I car was parked. I was packing, wasn't sure they were bad. We walked to the car with our heads on a swivel looking for a surprise attack from another direction. I had my right hand free and jacket unzipped. Nothing happened. We got in the car and locked the doors. Then we took a breath and got out of there.
But I consider those, and a hundred other small acts of observation to be sort of the minimum situational awareness - armed or not. My first goal is to see a situation developing and avoid it - get out of Dodge. Next best, see it developing and be prepared with some sort of plan before it goes critical. The plan might not work, but the brain is engaged and having done a quick what-if might respond better when the situation changes. Worst, having to react to a total surprise. I don't like surprises so I keep my eyes open.
My personal opinion is that, for a civillian, being alert, keeping the eyes open and avoiding a surprise is worth more than having a secondary gun, backup gun, and the uber cool fighting knife.
But, I'm just a little old man. What do I know?
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety), by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” by H. L. Mencken
December 27th, 2012 02:20 PM
He sure got a lot of responses... Sort of rattling the cage to see what falls
Originally Posted by Mike1956
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
-James Earl Jones
December 27th, 2012 02:31 PM
well, I don't think most people who carry everyday plan to get into a gun fight. It happens and wouldn't you feel horrible knowing you had the chance to save lives if you had only armed yourself that day? I know I would. It's the same feeling when I pay my auto insurance; I hope I don't need it but it is there if horrible things happen, and they do every day across our country.
The best actual response I have heard to the question of "Why all of the guns?" was "Because I can."
December 27th, 2012 08:43 PM
I've lived on the same farm for 59 of 62 years . Situated on a 2 1/2 mile 1 lane county road that shortcuts 2 major roads . The farm sprawls across a mile and a half of this frontage . My 85 year old father lives by himself at one end of the farm and I live on the other . It's a favorite cutoff for drunks avoiding the main roads and various undesirable miscreants bent on thievery of one form or another . The next house up the road is a drug house .
My home , that I've lived in for the last 43 years , has been robbed 3 times . It is situated at a 90 degree turn with a very deep
ditch that the drunks and druggies fail to negotiate several times a year . Some are reasonable and I get a tractor and pull them out . When they are belligerent I call LEO .
LEO's here are friendly and professional and understaffed . Avg response is 45 minutes at best . They know me and who the good guy is when I call . They've been here twice over shootings (another two stories).
Between the situation in my location , predatory animals molesting livestock , and my Dad living alone I never know what time of day or night I'm going to have to deal with a problem .
A 5 shot .38 snub is within arm's reach of me 24/7 . I always carried a Colt .45 auto until 3 lbs of pistol got to be too heavy
and too bulky to conceal .
Daytime on the farm has me strapped up with the .38 and a scoped 7mag .
Night time call outs require .38 , .45 , and a 12 gauge loaded with oo buck.
My choice of armament isn't dictated by paranoia . It's from experience .
December 28th, 2012 01:03 AM
Preparedness ≠ Fear
Originally Posted by detective
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
-General James Mattis, USMC
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