[Urgent] Traveler CC and transporting in St. Louis, MO

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    [Urgent] Traveler CC and transporting in St. Louis, MO

    Merry Christmas to all, I am new to this forum.

    I am planning to travel to St. Louis, MO in two days, never been there before. Currently I have CCW permit from both Utah and Arizona.
    I was recently told that MetroLink in St. Louis prohibits CC, and some even claimed it's a felony on such train.

    would like to know if I could transport (unloaded and locked in strong box) my handgun while taking MetroLink between airport and hotel.
    If not, is there alternative transportation between airport and city center?

    My friends and I are leaving in 24 hours, so any respond would be appreciated.


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    There are vans between the airport and the city center, I think it should be legal for me taking those vans right?

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    Get a taxi

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    This should help... Missouri Concealed Carry Permit Information

    It looks like cities can add their own regs, so I would be careful with CC.
    I'm not a lawyer, but I would think that transporting an unloaded firearm in a locked box would be a safe bet in most places...as long as you don't have direct access to that box (as in a box inside a suitcase).
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    See http://handgunlaw.us/states/missouri.pdf

    First--you need to know the laws of where you are carrying--do not go by what you are told. (Including here). Nothing I've read indicates carry on a metro train = felony

    Note the specifics of what a posted sign should look like as dictated in the law.

    See Metro Transit

    I read nothing there that spells out no carrying of firearms...as a legal concealed carrier or carrying in a locked case. It is a state-controlled entity, so I don't know if state laws supersede whatever policies they have.

    Regardless...be the grey man. Don't call attention to yourself and enjoy your trip.
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    Check out the post from retsupt99 and pay attention to what is posted below.

    Notice Item 18 To my understanding the astrisk * next to (Public Transportation*) refers specifically to the Metrolink Rail. Taxi's are okay, but Buses and other public transportation (Metrolink Train) is a felony.

    This does not apply to Amtrak which now allows firearms in checked luggage, but not carried concealed on your person. Note the bold type at the bottom where it states violating posted establishments in the list is not a criminal act (except for federal prohibited places like post office, secured portions of the airport).

    Also, restaurants that serve alcohol is okay as long as 51% of revenue is from food. (Appleby's, Olive Garden, Chili's, etc.) If they are posted no firearms establishments, see the specifics at the bottom I highligted in bold type regarding violating posted businesses and do whatever you are comfortable with.

    (Posted below is subdivisions 1) to (17) of subsection 20 in the statute)

    Places off-limits when carrying:
    1. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol office or station
    2. Within twenty-five feet of any polling place on any election day
    3. Any correctional facility
    4. Any courthouse or building used by a court
    5. Any government meeting including state legislature
    6. Government owned buildings except public housing
    7. Bars. (except owners)
    8. Secured parts of airports (Federal)
    9. Prohibited by federal law
    10. All Schools (including colleges)
    11. Child care facilities
    12. Casinos
    13. Amusement parks
    14. Any church
    15. Private property with 11X14 sign with one inch letters
    16. Arenas and stadiums seating over 5,000
    17. Publicly accessible hospitals
    18 Bus – Public Transportation*
    Note this is a felony under Missouri law. Others listed above will only result in a warning or tresspass violation but a bus carry will result in more seriuos consequences.

    Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions 1) to (17) of subsection 20 of this section by any individual who holds concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to this section shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises.

    If you refuse to leave after being asked and the police are called, you will be fined $100. Second such offense in 6 months is $200 fine and suspension of permit. Third offense in 12 months is $500 fine and loss of permit for 3 years.


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    ...and I'm corrected...and have zero hurt feelings! Thanks Bark'n
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    so I assume hired van or taxi is not considered as "public transportation" then.

    My other question would be how does MO view "unload transporting inside a locked box", does that considered as carry as well, or was treated separately?
    Here is California, we could lock our guns in strong box then enter public transportation or places with no gun sign.(except in college or federal buildings)

    Can I lock my gun before boarding a MetorLink, or is that still considered a felony?
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    I can't tell you with 100% certainty, but to the best of my knowledge there are no provisions for locking away firearms on public transportation. I don't know how you'd get caught, but I don't think it would be very pleasant for you if you did.

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    Metrolink is a criminal-only-with-gun zone... You may not LEGALLY have a firearm on the system no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 357and40 View Post
    Metrolink is a criminal-only-with-gun zone... You may not LEGALLY have a firearm on the system no matter what.
    Used to live in St Louis county. Bi-State was headquartered in Illinois, so don't expect any reasonable consideration from anyone connected with the Bi-State Transit Agency.

    One other thing; if you are traveling East from the StL airport, be sure you get off the train before you end up in wonderful, scenic, visitor-friendly East St Louis, IL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 357and40 View Post
    Metrolink is a criminal-only-with-gun zone... You may not LEGALLY have a firearm on the system no matter what.
    Thank you
    I will avoid MetroLink as much as possible.

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