Employer policy what would you do

Employer policy what would you do

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    Employer policy what would you do

    Here my issue.
    Wording in company code of conduct, "Except as allowed by law, no employee shall carry a weapon or firearm on company property including company vehicles"
    Example given in actual scenarios on website with code. Employee bring gun in backback into office, another employee sees and reports to management, employee is escorted and terminated.
    During recent meeting going over entire policy member of managament, my manager's boss said that absolutely no weapons or guns are allowed, not shotgun cases in back to go hunting after work hours in company car or personal car used for business purpose. Even like my bow in the back would be considered a weapon and could not be carried in car.
    Now I believe that the managment opinion and the wording of the policy wording don't match.
    What would you do? I have some thoughts on what I will do.
    I just got a carry gun although I have had my permit for a while, want to start carrying all the time and would carry at work. Although my job isn't particularly dangerous I do enter customers homes and sometimes can't offer good news and deals with sometims large amounts of money. Thus emotions sometimes get heated, tempers have flared on me with yelling, etc, no physical violence as yet. Although I wish to carry the income my job supplies and benefits are necessary to survive and don't want to lose my job or good standing with management over an issue like this.


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    Although I wish to carry the income my job supplies and benefits are necessary to survive and don't want to lose my job or good standing with management over an issue like this.
    you answered your own question.

    i carry at work and if im caught i will be fired. its a risk i am willing to take.
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    Although I wish to carry the income my job supplies and benefits are necessary to survive and don't want to lose my job or good standing with management over an issue like this.
    If you're going to work for the company you will have to comply with company policies and procedures. There's no decision to make in that regard. If you just can't abide by company rules you'll have to find employment elswhere.

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    I don't know your state laws, but some state's expressly prohibit employers from making policy that extends to personal vehicles in their parking lots. Company vehicles are an entirely different matter.

    Beyond that, I don't really think there's much to say. They do have a right to ask that weapons not be brought into their property, or carry while you are on the clock. If you don't like it, quit. If you can't quit, then decide if you feel that carrying during working hours is that important to you. If it's not, then I'd investigate what they can/cannot legally ask that you comply with, if the weapon stays in your vehicle. If it is, then just realize that if you're caught, you're probably going to lose your job.
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    Check Iowa state law (Handgunlaw.us is a good place to start). In Georgia, the law says a weapon can be carried, or stored, in a personal vehicle on company property regardless of company policy. Georgia law goes on to say the law does not apply if it is a company-owned vehicle.
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    Your decision. If you decide to carry against company policy make double sure that you're concealed at all times with no possibility of your weapon being seen under any circumstances. Jobs are hard to find these days.

    I would think that a good lawyer could get the guy reinstated. The company policy says "except as allowed by law". If he has a valid CC license he should be good to go. He's adhering to the "except as allowed by law" provision.

    As has been stated earlier check with your state laws.
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    What would I do? If I didn't want to lose my job, I wouldn't carry at work. Period.
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    Having a job in this economy is a good thing don't risk loosing your job, I work on a military installation and can't carry part of the day either
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    Company policy is a starting point, and it's the management in place at your facility who interpret it. If the brass there is anti-carry, you know where you stand. Read the company policy fine print and you're highly likely to read that policy may be changed at any time. Ours is printed but it sure ain't Gospel.

    Compare the risks and assign a likelihood to each scenario:

    • Don't carry: COULD be the victim of a violent assault. Really pretty unlikely. But should you be killed, it would devastate your family.
    • Do carry: Highly likely at some point you would be discovered and lose your job. Loss of income bad for family.


    My company also prohibits weapons, and I abide by company policy. I do so out of good faith, and I've also come to the conclusion that my risks of violent assault are so low as to pale by comparison with the problems I would have in getting a new job. It's comfortable that my assessment agrees with my company's policy: it would be frustrating if the two were at odds.

    Your conclusion may be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH View Post
    Your decision. If you decide to carry against company policy make double sure that you're concealed at all times with no possibility of your weapon being seen under any circumstances. Jobs are hard to find these days.

    I would think that a good lawyer could get the guy reinstated. The company policy says "except as allowed by law". If he has a valid CC license he should be good to go. He's adhering to the "except as allowed by law" provision.

    As has been stated earlier check with your state laws.
    What he said. But consult a lawyer on the meaning of "except as allowed by law" and don't just listen to two guys on the Internet.

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    I ignored my company's weapons policy for the last several years I worked for them. Bear in mind, I broke no laws.
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    Employer policy what would you do

    What my plan is to openly bring it up to my direct manager that I don't feel his boss's understanding of our very large national company's policy is incorrect due to the policy wording and request he dig deeper. My other thought was to go to the HR dept with is out of state and ask their opinion of the policy. Might do both. Will obey by what they say just don't like someone making an opinion to something that the company appears to support from their wording

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    Not knowing Iowa law but if your company's employee handbook states, "Except as allowed by law, no employee shall carry a weapon or firearm on company property including company vehicles" then it seems to me that he may have a case for wrongful dismissal. It depends on whether or not he has a concealed carry permit. If he did not then he would have been in violation of law and the policy was enforced properly. He needs to take an up to date copy of the employee handbook to an attorney to see if he does have a case.

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