The Fallacy of Being Above it all

The Fallacy of Being Above it all

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    The Fallacy of Being Above it all

    A posting from Roger Phillips I think hit a big point of GUNS. What say you!





    From Roger:

    I do not really need to hear the whole "you're preaching to the choir" BS. This was written for my local gun forum that has many non-tactical members. Everyone is welcome to use it as they see fit.

    The Fallacy of Being Above it all


    I have been a shooter and hunter practically all of my life. I got my first BB gun long gun at five years old, my first BB gun hand gun and my first .22 rifle at six years old, and my first shotgun at seven years old. I was raised in a family of sports men and women that was all about the outdoors. I progressed from gun safety, to target shooting, to hunting, to various forms of competition, to tactical training, to being a Civilian trainer, then to being a Tier One Civilian/LEO/Military Tactical Trainer for one of the top Tactical Training companies in the world.

    I have spent forty six years in the shooting sports and the one thing that I simply could never understand is the fact that gun owners are their own worst enemies. In those forty six years the amount of elitism, prejudice, and backstabbing that I have witnessed makes me embarrassed to be part of a group of people that are so intentionally divisive. The vast majority of gun owners that I have met tend to divide themselves into groups and then latch on to the fallacy that somehow their chosen group is better than all of the other gun owners groups. It is one thing to be proud of what you do as a gun owner (pride), but it is an entirely different thing to look down your nose and talk smack about other gun owners that did not gravitate to the exact same form of "pursuit of happiness" that you did (arrogance.)

    First and foremost, being a gun owner is a God given right. Every person has the God given right to protect themselves, their loved ones, and innocence from the evils of this world, with the best tools to be able to match the level of evil that is directed towards them. This is not a right given from one man to another! It is not a right to be judge by anyone except for the person that has prioritized their own responsibilities. This is not a right extended to a man by his government. That inalienable right is either substantiated or refused to be recognized by the government. Refusal to recognize does not overcome the fact that it is a God given right that comes from a much higher authority than the authority of men.

    Second, being a gun owner is something that is substantiated by the United States government. They saw it as being so important that it is the Second Amendment of the Constitution. The right to bear arms was put into place as a form of "checks and balances" to protect the people from a tyrannical government. There is zero doubt on the intent of this. This has never been about "hunting heritage" or "sporting guns." It is about putting in place a method of keeping those in power from trying to grab too much power. It is about protecting the very core principles of what the USA was originally founded on.

    When we look at these two key points, where is the room, the reason, or the common sense to have gun owners infighting over such ridiculous things as "my chosen opinion on gun ownership is better than your chosen opinion on gun ownership?"

    "My sport is better than your sport."

    "My hunting rifle is better than your handgun."

    "My target shooting is better than your tactical training."

    "I don't know why anyone needs a handgun, those are just for killing people."

    "Sporting firearms are better than self defense firearms."

    "Hunting is the only purpose for a firearm."

    "Hunting is wrong."

    The lists of divisive comments just goes on and on!

    The elitism, the arrogance, the ignorance, the prejudice, and the divisiveness is absolutely revolting! Yet, we see it all of the time and we cannot even stop ourselves from doing it even when we are headed down the very same road as Australia and England. These are countries that experienced the "divide and conquer" tactics used against gun owners. Are we so blinded by our biases that we cannot look to the facts of history and stand up and declare that "you are not going to do that to us!"

    But no, we have gun owners backstabbing gun owners. We have gun owners tossing sacrificial lambs into a sea of fire in forms of appeasement. All of this done hoping that "if we give them somebody else's guns, they will not come after mine." Coward! "I do not know why anyone needs a standard capacity magazine!" Traitor! "I do not know why anyone would need an Assault Rifle." Turncoat! I do not need them! It is my right to have them. It is a right given to me by God and is substantiated by the US Constitution. How can I protect myself and my loved ones at the level that I want, if the evil of the world has better armaments than I?

    Yes I know, they are going to come after the weapons of guys like me first. Yes, I am asking you to look past your prejudice and help me keep what is mine in the eyes of God and the USA. But who are guys like me? I am a guy that has witnessed much violence and evil. I am a guy who has lost loved ones to violence and evil. I am a guy who has used the tools of death to save loved ones from violence and evil. I am a guy who fought his way out of the gutter to make sure that my children never have to do the things that I had to do. I am a guy who learned to be as deadly as he could possibly be because I know that if I am called on again.......I will be in the fight again. I am a guy that teaches this stuff to other people who find themselves in need of those type of skills. I am a guy who teaches good guys to be as deadly as they can possibly be, whether they are Civilian/LEO/Military. Some people say that what I teach is wrong. It is my belief that what I teach is as right as anything can possibly be. It is a God given right to be able to protect yourself, your loved ones, and the innocent from the evils of this world.

    If you have never had to deal with the evils of this world........God bless you.......I sincerely hope that you never do. "You do not know what you do not know" is a term that I use all of the time and if you have never had to fight for your life or that of somebody that you love, try to imagine what that must be like. Try to imagine, without ego, how good you would really like to be? How good of a weapon system would you really like to have?

    If you still think, as a gun owner, that your chosen sport, hobby, activity, or method of "pursuit of happiness" is better than what I do, then I seriously question the type of person that you are and the amount of love that is in your heart.

    We are at the beginning of a very long fight. Make no mistake, the Socialists that are in power right now want you to be disarmed. Their strategy will be to "divide and conquer." If you sit back and do nothing right now, or even worse, if you back stab guys like me, when they are done with guys like me, they are going to move onto the next group of gun owners. If you do not think that your gun is going to be targeted, you are wrong. Look to the history in England and Australia.

    If you think that you are above all of this........you are wrong!
    It's gotta be who you are, not a hobby. reinman45

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    A very relevant, eye-opening, and necessary post.

    Thank you.

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    The Nazi's did the same thing with all rights.
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    I do strongly suspect there are more than a few locals in my area who overtly profess to be pro-gun, but are actually supporting the proposed ban on so-called "assault weapons" and hi-cap magazines.




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    Thanks Bill that is good stuff!!

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    Thank you for sharing.
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    Sounds like someones feelings are hurt to me. Sure, I can get behind some of the things that was written about but gun ownership a "God given right"? Our Constitution gives us the right to own and bear arms but I dont think God mandates or cares about gun ownership. Are there people out there trying to take away our right to bear arms? Sure and they must be stopped at all cost. I guess I am unaware of all the issues (backstabbing, elitism, etc) that the author says is out there. There just appears to be a hidden message to the piece that I dont get. Like he is angry with someone or some group. Every single individual will have his or her reason for gun ownership. It doesnt make him or her wrong even if I dont agree with their reason. Some will own guns to hunt only and would never take a human life even if it cost them their own. While I cant understand that reasoning, it doesnt make them wrong. Sounds like boths sides need to relax...meditate..and quit trying to impose their versions of right and wrong on others. Just saying...
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    I haven't read anything that long since the last Clive Cussler novel I read, but my thought is you'll find that same disparity among any group from coffee drinkers to fishermen to quilters.
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    Quilters...now there are some hardcore elitist right there...HARDCORE!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Sounds like someones feelings are hurt to me. Sure, I can get behind some of the things that was written about but gun ownership a "God given right"? Our Constitution gives us the right to own and bear arms but I dont think God mandates or cares about gun ownership. Are there people out there trying to take away our right to bear arms? Sure and they must be stopped at all cost. I guess I am unaware of all the issues (backstabbing, elitism, etc) that the author says is out there. There just appears to be a hidden message to the piece that I dont get. Like he is angry with someone or some group. Every single individual will have his or her reason for gun ownership. It doesnt make him or her wrong even if I dont agree with their reason. Some will own guns to hunt only and would never take a human life even if it cost them their own. While I cant understand that reasoning, it doesnt make them wrong. Sounds like boths sides need to relax...meditate..and quit trying to impose their versions of right and wrong on others. Just saying...
    "Rights" don't come from man or from government or from the Constitution.

    The 2nd amendment states the "Right" that is already yours...It was a Right we all possessed before it was written as an amendment to the Constitution.

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights did not create Rights.

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights lists the Rights that we already have.

    These Rights come from a higher power than man, government and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    Some people call this higher power "God".

    Rights are not given to you...we are born with Rights...Rights are INHERENT (you should look that word up in the dictionary)

    We all have a Right to keep and bear Arms.

    Arms are weapons.

    These weapons are used for protection.

    Guns are one of many types of Arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Quilters...now there are some hardcore elitist right there...HARDCORE!!!
    So you know one, huh? Tough bunch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    We all have a Right to keep and bear Arms.

    Arms are weapons.

    These weapons are used for protection.

    Guns are one of many types of Arms.
    Careful though. Someone on a court may decide no guns, can only keep and bear pocket knives. Thus you have your 2A "arms."

    Scary, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Careful though. Someone on a court may decide no guns, can only keep and bear pocket knives. Thus you have your 2A "arms."

    Scary, huh?
    "Shall not be infringed"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    "Rights" don't come from man or from government or from the Constitution.

    The 2nd amendment states the "Right" that is already yours...It was a Right we all possessed before it was written as an amendment to the Constitution.

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights did not create Rights.

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights lists the Rights that we already have.

    These Rights come from a higher power than man, government and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    Some people call this higher power "God".

    Rights are not given to you...we are born with Rights...Rights are INHERENT (you should look that word up in the dictionary)

    We all have a Right to keep and bear Arms.

    Arms are weapons.

    These weapons are used for protection.

    Guns are one of many types of Arms.
    Great points each!

    The Constitution doesn’t inherently grant anything. It is more accurately described as a “charter of negative liberties.” Which mean the government is implicitly forbidden from infringing certain rights and just as importantly it is not required to prevent other entities from infringing those rights, unless it violates the 14th Amendment. That talks to the whole argument that the Supreme Court has ruled an individual does not have a reasonable expectation of police protection.
    See Bowers v DeVito for the definition of the phrase "charter of negative rights".

    "There is a constitutional right not to be murdered by a state officer, for the state violates the Fourteenth Amendment when its officer, acting under color of state law, deprives a person of life without due process of law. Brazier v. Cherry, 293 F.2d 401, 404-05 (5th Cir. 1961). But there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties; it tells the state to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order."

    This is why progressives see the Constitution as a flawed document. Nowhere in our system does it provide for the redistribution of wealth that the progressives want to see. Social 'redistribution' cannot be achieved through the court system, the Constitution is a 'flawed' document, and that ONLY through the Legislative branch of the government can social redistribution be achieved.
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