This is a discussion on Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Echo_Four JaxRolo, condition 1 is round in chamber with the safety on. Since the Glock doesn't have a safety that doesn't apply. ...
Always one in the chamber, under duress/stress mostly gross motor skills are at work. Make sure you have a good holster as well that covers the trigger.
Sounds like you need to trade the Glock for a revolver (not a bad choice) or a semi-auto with a frame mounted saftey.
Give it a try for a while. See what you think. It doesn't cost much. And you can have it installed if you don't want to do it yourself.
I believe you meant to say "condition 0 is a round in the chamber with the safety off", but you should probably add "and hammer cocked" to that.
Pretty sure "Condition Zero" is a Jeff Cooper term, not a military term (like the rest of the conditions).
The cases I was thinking about was the guy removing his weapons when he got in the car, setting it on the dash, and then (big unexplained sequence of events), the kid in the back seat getting fired by a ND. Or the LEO who stashed a condition 1 weapon under the seat of his car, where it was retrieved by a toddler. None of the toddler fatalities involved a holstered weapon.
But how many ND stories have you read which occurred while holstering a weapon? Dozens at least in the last couple of years. Some due to cheap leather holsters, some due to worn out expensive holsters, etc. I scared the daylights out of myself when holstering an LCP in a cross breed holster, and as it went in, I heard the trigger snap back after deflecting. Slightly wrong angle of entry, bad things happen. And since most concealment holsters are under clothing, under belts, at various levels of compression due to clothing, precise entry of the weapon to avoid interference can be chancy. Maybe not a concern with a weapon with a safety.
Which is why I use OWB for everything now (except for a lightweight steller rig for an LCP pocket carry).
And all the threads about people fessing to ND say things like "there are two type of weapons carriers in this world, those who have had a ND and those who well", and "I thought it would never happen to me because of ....".
Some of these posts, if taken out of context, almost imply that there is not a "safety" on a Glock. What is meant is- not a "manual" safety. I'd argue yes there is, it's called a trigger.
To clarify and beat the dead horse named "Are Glocks Safe" a few more times:
(From Glock web site)
-Trigger safety: The trigger safety is a lever incorporated into the trigger. When the trigger safety is in the forward position it blocks the trigger from moving rearward. The trigger safety and the trigger must be fully depressed at the same time to fire the pistol. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearward and allow the pistol to fire. The trigger safety is designed to protect against firing if the pistol is dropped or the trigger is subjected to lateral pressure.
-Firing pin safety: The firing pin safety mechanically blocks the firing pin from moving forward in the ready-to-fire condition. As the trigger is pulled rearward the trigger bar pushes the firing pin safety up and frees the firing pin channel. If the user decides not to fire and releases the trigger, the firing pin safety automatically reengages.
-Drop safety: The trigger bar rests on the safety ramp within the trigger mechanism housing. The trigger bar engages the rear portion of the firing pin and prevents the firing pin from moving forward. As the trigger is pulled rearward the trigger bar lowers down the safety ramp and allows the release of the firing pin. After firing, the trigger bar moves upward and reengages the firing pin. As the trigger is released all safeties automatically reengage.
It is your responsibility to make sure the gun is operating correctly and safely by either learning to check it yourself or making the effort to have it done for you on a regular basis. It's an individual choice whether or not to trust the safeties. I do.
I remember when decockers started showing up all over the place. They scared the hell out of me, still do a little. It was a huge paradigm shift for me, just like a glock is for some people. Eventually, with experience and better understanding how they worked I got ok with them.
With any gun- To be 100% safe you would need to keep it locked in the safe.
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I'd have to disagree with Glock and its "trigger safety" (and those of all makes) as anything and everything can and will defeat it. Even a shirttail inadvertantly inserted in it during the esteemed "no-looking" reholstering can cause it to fire, as an associate of my son found out the hard way.
I own a Glock, carry a Glock, and it causes me to be all the more aware of safe handling practices. And I never reholster without looking at what my hand and Glock is doing. Is a Glock "unsafe"? No. Is it safer than other makes because of its triple safeties? No. Due care must be taken with all firearms at all times.
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If it's a factory Glock trigger it shouldn't be an issue as long as you have a holster that covers the trigger. It would seem like a light trigger pull if you compare it to some double action trigger pulls. Unless you train all the time racking the slide after you draw, ( and it's still time waisted) I wouldn't recommend carrying it without one in the chamber for personal protection.In these situations there is precious little time in alot of cases and you need every edge you can get.
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Carrying in Condition 3 is fine and a legitimate carry method as long as you are aware of the disadvantages of doing so. By carrying condition 3, you will be handicapping yourself against scenarios where you won't have the time or ability to rack a round into the chamber.
That said, maintaining your pistol in condition 3 will greatly reduce the risk of ever having an ND that could kill or injure yourself or an innocent. Seems to me there are more people that have negligent discharges over the course of their life than those that have to fire their weapon in self defense. It all comes down to personal preference....how do you want to distribute risk? Even the most experienced firearm handlers have had NDs.
Don't let anyone pressure you into carrying one in the chamber. Condition 3 carry has been effectively utilized by civilian, police, and military forces for many, many years. If you do choose C3 carry, Glock is an excellent choice given the ease to rack a round and no external levers that could get in the way.
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