Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber - Page 4

Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber

This is a discussion on Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Echo_Four JaxRolo, condition 1 is round in chamber with the safety on. Since the Glock doesn't have a safety that doesn't apply. ...

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 73
Like Tree56Likes

Thread: Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber

  1. #46
    Member Array JaxRolo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Jacksonville, Fl
    Posts
    211

    Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber

    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    JaxRolo, condition 1 is round in chamber with the safety on. Since the Glock doesn't have a safety that doesn't apply. But condition 0 is round in chamber with safety on.
    Thanks!
    U.S. Navy Chief Electronics Technician (EW)(Ret) 26 Years
    IT Specialist-National Park Service
    Florida High School Athletic Association Baseball Umpire
    NRA Yearly Member 2013


  2. #47
    Distinguished Member Array OhioCatter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Northern Ohio
    Posts
    1,297
    Always one in the chamber, under duress/stress mostly gross motor skills are at work. Make sure you have a good holster as well that covers the trigger.

  3. #48
    Distinguished Member Array grouse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    kansas
    Posts
    1,950
    Sounds like you need to trade the Glock for a revolver (not a bad choice) or a semi-auto with a frame mounted saftey.

  4. #49
    VIP Member
    Array Mike1956's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Marion County, Ohio
    Posts
    11,461
    Quote Originally Posted by grouse View Post
    Sounds like you need to trade the Glock for a revolver (not a bad choice) or a semi-auto with a frame mounted saftey.
    Or get used to the Glock.
    "If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast."
    William T. Sherman

  5. #50
    Senior Member Array GreyGhost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    central florida
    Posts
    976
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbiesdad View Post
    If you are uncomfortable with the gun as/is

    Click on options and trigger springs. Check out the NY and NY2 options.

    GLOCK
    This sounds like a good idea. You can get the trigger to have more resistance. At least until you become more comfortable with the platform.

    Give it a try for a while. See what you think. It doesn't cost much. And you can have it installed if you don't want to do it yourself.
    Question Everything!

  6. #51
    Member Array tmarks11's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Norther VA
    Posts
    33
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    JaxRolo, condition 1 is round in chamber with the safety on. Since the Glock doesn't have a safety that doesn't apply. But condition 0 is round in chamber with safety on.
    So under your definition condition 0 = condition 1?

    I believe you meant to say "condition 0 is a round in the chamber with the safety off", but you should probably add "and hammer cocked" to that.

    Pretty sure "Condition Zero" is a Jeff Cooper term, not a military term (like the rest of the conditions).

  7. #52
    Member Array tmarks11's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Norther VA
    Posts
    33
    Quote Originally Posted by nmbr5ml View Post
    If you're legitimately concerned about a toddler grabbing your carry pistol while you're carrying it, I really don't know what to tell you.
    ok, that was hyperbole on my part.

    The cases I was thinking about was the guy removing his weapons when he got in the car, setting it on the dash, and then (big unexplained sequence of events), the kid in the back seat getting fired by a ND. Or the LEO who stashed a condition 1 weapon under the seat of his car, where it was retrieved by a toddler. None of the toddler fatalities involved a holstered weapon.

    But how many ND stories have you read which occurred while holstering a weapon? Dozens at least in the last couple of years. Some due to cheap leather holsters, some due to worn out expensive holsters, etc. I scared the daylights out of myself when holstering an LCP in a cross breed holster, and as it went in, I heard the trigger snap back after deflecting. Slightly wrong angle of entry, bad things happen. And since most concealment holsters are under clothing, under belts, at various levels of compression due to clothing, precise entry of the weapon to avoid interference can be chancy. Maybe not a concern with a weapon with a safety.

    Which is why I use OWB for everything now (except for a lightweight steller rig for an LCP pocket carry).

    And all the threads about people fessing to ND say things like "there are two type of weapons carriers in this world, those who have had a ND and those who well", and "I thought it would never happen to me because of ....".

  8. #53
    Member Array Glock36carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    The Dairy State
    Posts
    30
    Some of these posts, if taken out of context, almost imply that there is not a "safety" on a Glock. What is meant is- not a "manual" safety. I'd argue yes there is, it's called a trigger.

    To clarify and beat the dead horse named "Are Glocks Safe" a few more times:

    (From Glock web site)
    -Trigger safety: The trigger safety is a lever incorporated into the trigger. When the trigger safety is in the forward position it blocks the trigger from moving rearward. The trigger safety and the trigger must be fully depressed at the same time to fire the pistol. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearward and allow the pistol to fire. The trigger safety is designed to protect against firing if the pistol is dropped or the trigger is subjected to lateral pressure.

    -Firing pin safety: The firing pin safety mechanically blocks the firing pin from moving forward in the ready-to-fire condition. As the trigger is pulled rearward the trigger bar pushes the firing pin safety up and frees the firing pin channel. If the user decides not to fire and releases the trigger, the firing pin safety automatically reengages.

    -Drop safety: The trigger bar rests on the safety ramp within the trigger mechanism housing. The trigger bar engages the rear portion of the firing pin and prevents the firing pin from moving forward. As the trigger is pulled rearward the trigger bar lowers down the safety ramp and allows the release of the firing pin. After firing, the trigger bar moves upward and reengages the firing pin. As the trigger is released all safeties automatically reengage.

    It is your responsibility to make sure the gun is operating correctly and safely by either learning to check it yourself or making the effort to have it done for you on a regular basis. It's an individual choice whether or not to trust the safeties. I do.

    I remember when decockers started showing up all over the place. They scared the hell out of me, still do a little. It was a huge paradigm shift for me, just like a glock is for some people. Eventually, with experience and better understanding how they worked I got ok with them.

    With any gun- To be 100% safe you would need to keep it locked in the safe.
    “The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief”- Jacques Ellul

    “Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”- Joseph Goebbels

  9. #54
    VIP Member
    Array OldVet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Hiding inside a bottle of Jim Beam Black.
    Posts
    17,308
    I'd have to disagree with Glock and its "trigger safety" (and those of all makes) as anything and everything can and will defeat it. Even a shirttail inadvertantly inserted in it during the esteemed "no-looking" reholstering can cause it to fire, as an associate of my son found out the hard way.


    I own a Glock, carry a Glock, and it causes me to be all the more aware of safe handling practices. And I never reholster without looking at what my hand and Glock is doing. Is a Glock "unsafe"? No. Is it safer than other makes because of its triple safeties? No. Due care must be taken with all firearms at all times.
    TX expat and aus71383 like this.
    Retired USAF E-8. Lighten up and enjoy life because:
    Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... "For What It's Worth" Buffalo Springfield

  10. #55
    Distinguished Member Array Exacto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    1,630
    If it's a factory Glock trigger it shouldn't be an issue as long as you have a holster that covers the trigger. It would seem like a light trigger pull if you compare it to some double action trigger pulls. Unless you train all the time racking the slide after you draw, ( and it's still time waisted) I wouldn't recommend carrying it without one in the chamber for personal protection.In these situations there is precious little time in alot of cases and you need every edge you can get.

  11. #56
    OD*
    OD* is offline
    Moderator
    Array OD*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Coopersville
    Posts
    11,561
    Quote Originally Posted by tmarks11 View Post
    Pretty sure "Condition Zero" is a Jeff Cooper term, not a military term (like the rest of the conditions).
    The conditions of readiness originated with Col Cooper, the Military "borrowed" them from him.
    "The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper

    "Terrorists: They hated you yesterday, they hate you today, and they will hate you tomorrow. End the cycle of hatred, don’t give them a tomorrow."

  12. #57
    Member Array Billspider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Holbrook, New York
    Posts
    148
    +1
    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    If it's a factory Glock trigger it shouldn't be an issue as long as you have a holster that covers the trigger. It would seem like a light trigger pull if you compare it to some double action trigger pulls. Unless you train all the time racking the slide after you draw, ( and it's still time waisted) I wouldn't recommend carrying it without one in the chamber for personal protection.In these situations there is precious little time in alot of cases and you need every edge you can get.
    +1
    Utah Concealed Firearms Certified Instructor

  13. #58
    Member Array Billspider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Holbrook, New York
    Posts
    148
    +1
    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I'd have to disagree with Glock and its "trigger safety" (and those of all makes) as anything and everything can and will defeat it. Even a shirttail inadvertantly inserted in it during the esteemed "no-looking" reholstering can cause it to fire, as an associate of my son found out the hard way.


    I own a Glock, carry a Glock, and it causes me to be all the more aware of safe handling practices. And I never reholster without looking at what my hand and Glock is doing. Is a Glock "unsafe"? No. Is it safer than other makes because of its triple safeties? No. Due care must be taken with all firearms at all times.
    +1
    Utah Concealed Firearms Certified Instructor

  14. #59
    Member Array 3wggl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Milky Way
    Posts
    224
    Carrying in Condition 3 is fine and a legitimate carry method as long as you are aware of the disadvantages of doing so. By carrying condition 3, you will be handicapping yourself against scenarios where you won't have the time or ability to rack a round into the chamber.

    That said, maintaining your pistol in condition 3 will greatly reduce the risk of ever having an ND that could kill or injure yourself or an innocent. Seems to me there are more people that have negligent discharges over the course of their life than those that have to fire their weapon in self defense. It all comes down to personal preference....how do you want to distribute risk? Even the most experienced firearm handlers have had NDs.

    Don't let anyone pressure you into carrying one in the chamber. Condition 3 carry has been effectively utilized by civilian, police, and military forces for many, many years. If you do choose C3 carry, Glock is an excellent choice given the ease to rack a round and no external levers that could get in the way.
    tmarks11 likes this.

  15. #60
    Member Array JaxRolo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Jacksonville, Fl
    Posts
    211

    Rack a Glock during draw, or carry in chamber

    Quote Originally Posted by 3wggl View Post
    Carrying in Condition 3 is fine and a legitimate carry method as long as you are aware of the disadvantages of doing so. By carrying condition 3, you will be handicapping yourself against scenarios where you won't have the time or ability to rack a round into the chamber.

    That said, maintaining your pistol in condition 3 will greatly reduce the risk of ever having an ND that could kill or injure yourself or an innocent. Seems to me there are more people that have negligent discharges over the course of their life than those that have to fire their weapon in self defense. It all comes down to personal preference....how do you want to distribute risk? Even the most experienced firearm handlers have had NDs.

    Don't let anyone pressure you into carrying one in the chamber. Condition 3 carry has been effectively utilized by civilian, police, and military forces for many, many years. If you do choose C3 carry, Glock is an excellent choice given the ease to rack a round and no external levers that could get in the way.
    I agree with this. Even while in the Middle East we carried in condition 3 most of the time.
    U.S. Navy Chief Electronics Technician (EW)(Ret) 26 Years
    IT Specialist-National Park Service
    Florida High School Athletic Association Baseball Umpire
    NRA Yearly Member 2013

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search tags for this page

are+glocks+more dangerous

,
carry glock chambered
,
chamber during concelment
,
concealed carry one in the chamber glock
,
glock 26 factory trigger pull
,

glock one in the chamber

,
glock siderlock
,
israeli carry glock
,
israelie carry for glock
,
lwd siderlock trigger safety
,
rack glock while holstered
,
why doesn't the striker engage the trigger bar in my glock 20
Click on a term to search for related topics.