Mental Health Question

This is a discussion on Mental Health Question within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by ccw9mm You gotta cut back on the coffee, man. I'm reading it as: spouse had two former boyfriends, the second of which ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    You gotta cut back on the coffee, man.

    I'm reading it as: spouse had two former boyfriends, the second of which killed himself, after which she was sent (apparently involuntarily, but we don't know) to therapy sessions at age 19.
    I read it the way gasmitty did. Either way it's a sad deal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfries View Post
    If any of my children were to suffer depression, or any form of PTSD after an event like that
    I would not hesitate to give them any tools which may be helpful in coping with the incidents that caused it.
    I do personally believe that several of the tragic incidents that have happened would not have happened if the acting individuals had better coping skills.
    In my personal opinion parental/family support is severely lacking in society today contributing too many issues with our youth.
    The breakdown of family has caused a breakdown in society.

    Seeking counseling does not make one unstable; it proves they are stable enough to realize they are getting in deep.
    Being taught that it is OK to ask for help when you need it is a sign of strength, maturity, and intellect.
    It does not matter if that help is to fix a car, build a dog house, or work through an emotional time.
    Having no support growing up, coming from a dysfunctional family that has not taught you,
    and or will not help you obtain the skills needed to function in society is a sad reality today.
    This in my opinion has bred a good portion of what we read about in the news.

    Growing up, going off the deep end because life is cruel, or because you live in fantasy land and don’t understand reality?
    That is what I have a problem with.
    If more people grew up ready and knowing they were human, mortal, fallible, and that life is not a stroll through the garden…..

    Sorry for the hijack/rant
    I am sure that I am no different than anyone else when I say how saddened I was when I first heard of the tragic incident in Newtown.

    I had hoped that as a society we would see the need to help our fellow citizens because of this incident. That maybe we would realize inanimate objects don't kill people. Instead our society does the same old tired ineffective thing. And because they want to attack anyone who has ever asked or pleaded for help there will now be a reluctance to ask for that help for fear of being persecuted.

    I hope that she is able to get her CC without the persecution. But I would do so quickly as it is about to get a lot worse!

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    Posted by pfries:"Growing up, going off the deep end because life is cruel, or because you live in fantasy land and don’t understand reality?
    That is what I have a problem with. "

    Then you must have a problem with about 80% of Americans because that is an apt description of the average American today. They are either far left or far right, both of which are a complete fantasy. They believe evrything the media and their political gurus tell them (right and left). I carry a gun and I am sane but I no longer am really sure about anybody else!
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    The questions on the app were pretty much the same as the background check when purchasing. If you answer yes to any of the magic questions then your disq. Dont believe CBI has any medical or mental records to check if your lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTexan View Post
    After the second of my wife's former boyfriends had killed himself, she was sent by her parents to in-patient therapy when she was 19. She is now 34 and very normal :)

    Does this disqualify her from getting a concealed carry license in Colorado?
    I can't believe it would, though I don't know Colorado rules. First, she wasn't committed to a psychiatric institution by a court - at least doesn't sound like it; so no official records - which is what NICS contains - would exist. Second, even if she was committed the circumstances behind it with the two men men's suicides would be just cause anywhere to reverse an initial denial. But the first reason will carry the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justintimeagain View Post
    you konw what I don't get though is this. If you live in a state that doesn't prosacute you for smoking dope but yet the federal government says it's still a crime. How can you legally get a CCL if the question "Is not an unlawful user of or addicted to controlled substances" is checked yes? yea CCL's are kind of a state thing but yet when ATF gets involved cause the FFL dealer is supose to call them for an instant back ground check. They say he/she answered yes to this question cause it's legal to still smoke in Colorado though. How can they have this when ATF is a federal regulator?
    I can answer that for Colorado. Back in the day if you had a Medical Marijuana prescription you were unable to obtain a Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) because the background check for a Colorado CHP runs through the Federal databases and using marijuana was and is against federal law.

    Today, with the new Colorado amendment making it legal to smoke marijuana for your own personal use, you will be unable to obtain a Colorado CHP if you use marijuana legally or illegally in Colorado. The background check for a Colorado CHP still goes through the Federal databases and marijuana use is illegal under US Federal law.

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    But no record:

    Quote Originally Posted by marcclarke View Post
    I can answer that for Colorado. Back in the day if you had a Medical Marijuana prescription you were unable to obtain a Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) because the background check for a Colorado CHP runs through the Federal databases and using marijuana was and is against federal law.

    Today, with the new Colorado amendment making it legal to smoke marijuana for your own personal use, you will be unable to obtain a Colorado CHP if you use marijuana legally or illegally in Colorado. The background check for a Colorado CHP still goes through the Federal databases and marijuana use is illegal under US Federal law.
    Yes, but for mental health issues the only available records for NICS database are court-ordered commitments - this may be requested by family if the individual refuses treatment and is in the middle of a serious psychotic episode - but the court order is the only thing on record. So, I don't see how anything less would even show up on a NICS check, no matter what state this might occur in.

    From what I know and I have researched it: NICS database includes: records of felonies and misdemeanor convictions, records of felonies and misdemeanors indictments, records of dishonorable discharges from military, orders of protection, and records of court-ordered commitments to psychiatric institutions. These are all records sent to NICS and FBI by the states (Although one problem is some state's only give minimal info to NICS, which allows individuals who would ordinarily be flagged to slip through).

    You can appeal the "red STOP" on a NICS check. I talked to a person who had appealed a felony conviction as grounds for rejection for a permit and he was given permission from a Judge to have one (though it may have had restrictions, I don't know) - this in an area where the final decision on permits for self-defense (CCW) is ultimately in the hands of state Supreme Court Judge upon recommendations from his Permit Officer. There is an interview and evidence can be introduced by the applicant)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTexan View Post
    After the second of my wife's former boyfriends had killed himself, she was sent by her parents to in-patient therapy when she was 19. She is now 34 and very normal :)

    Does this disqualify her from getting a concealed carry license in Colorado?
    I would guess that having two former boyfriends who killed themselves would have left her needing help to get thorugh it. That would be hard for anyone to get through.

    The advice to get it figured out 'before' applying is good, and the fact that you asked the question tells me you are doing that. I think I'd start with a lawyer who handles concealed carry issues. Recommendations related to what the law means are best gotten from a lawyer experienced in the field. Accumulate your data and take her medical records including any reports from the institution and discharge assessments to the first meeting with the lawyer. You might get out of there for an hour's consultation if you have the 'right stuff' with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcclarke View Post
    I can answer that for Colorado. Back in the day if you had a Medical Marijuana prescription you were unable to obtain a Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) because the background check for a Colorado CHP runs through the Federal databases and using marijuana was and is against federal law.

    Today, with the new Colorado amendment making it legal to smoke marijuana for your own personal use, you will be unable to obtain a Colorado CHP if you use marijuana legally or illegally in Colorado. The background check for a Colorado CHP still goes through the Federal databases and marijuana use is illegal under US Federal law.
    Agreed. We have two different threads running: the OP's and a different thread about can you get a CCW if you use marijuana, even though marijuana use is legal at the state level. I was responding to the thread about getting a CCW even though one uses pot legally at the state level.

    I should have been more clear.

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    Sorry to hijack, but this brings up a point on recent legislative issues.

    Everyone wants to keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill. Who gets to define mentally ill? What specifically are exclusionary criteria? If a person has ever had a prescription for anxiety or depression medications? Ever had counselling or therapy of any kind? Once the line is drawn in the sand, who gets to decide how far to move it to one side or the other? This is just one legislative detail that we all need to pay attention to as the battle lines are drawn, and moved. I'm concerned that if they too broadly define it, will this discourage people from seeking help? If so, this could indeed have detrimental effects for the very people who need help in order to remain well adjusted. Everyone goes through difficult life events that may necessitate a little help to get through and then they are fine. That's normal. As a society, we shouldn't penalize people for that. Just a few random thoughts on the subject.

    If your wife went voluntarily and was not court ordered committed, then I believe she will be fine on her CHL. I'm not a lawyer though.
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