This is a discussion on For the LEOs on the board... within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; The small town i live in,i've known 3 deputies for sometime now,and 2 other's are RSO's.I've been to their house a few times.They know i ...
The small town i live in,i've known 3 deputies for sometime now,and 2 other's are RSO's.I've been to their house a few times.They know i carry and never said anything to me.That said,i've known them for several yrs now.I have never heard any of them say anything negative about the ccw permits.
I never feared a responsible law abiding citizen carrying concealed or openly. Either way, it's the irresponsible ones that cause worry .... and for many reasons. I live in an open carry no permit needed state and where concealed carry takes a permit, I'm OK with it. I assumed everyone encountered was armed in that I never let my guard down. If found to be carrying concealed by some occurrence, as long as they were permitted I was OK.
If carrying concealed and I found out and then found out they were doing so unlawfully .... that's not being very "responsible" on their part IMHO. It was addressed then and taken to it's logical conclusion.
I currently have a retired officer's CC permit and qualify with both pistol and revolver each year to carry nationwide under the ‘‘Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004" (HR218). Unlike a regular concealed carry permit, it is not linked even to a Va operator's license. I make it a point to not get stopped for traffic violations, it's pretty easy really .... but if ever I do, I'll tell him up front. Don't need him to be surprised.
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With the CC process in WA, I feel very confident that the vast majority of CC holders are good people and on the side of the LEO's. I know a few and we have coffee once in a while and discuss this subject and others like it. They say they think it reduces crime because BG has no idea who is carrying...
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I prefer to be judged by 12 then carried by 6
I have to make another comment here. In the state of Indiana, just about all one has to do is apply for your permit and you will get it if you have a clean record. I also have my Utah Non-resident permit and I had to go through a class to get it, but seriously it was not that involved.
I feel that the police would feel a little easier with CC, among the general population, if they had to be required to qualify at least once every time they renew their permits. I would love to go to a police range and go through some of their training and prove that I can handle my weapon safely...they have to. When I was in the Marines I had to every year. Just saying.
I would rather die on my feet, than to live on my knees.
I am not a LEO and I don't personally know any. I have however spoken to a few of them and they are very positive about CC, and in my state OC. They realize that they don't have anything to worry about from honest law abiding citizens whether we are carrying a sidearm or not.
It's good to hear the law enforcement community weigh in. To my knowledge the Michigan State Police have opposed every CC piece of legislation to come along. I can understand being cautious but one would hope that after being proven wrong, their stance would change. You say it's their leaders, I say get new leaders if they don't share your views. Of course recent events remind one of how difficult that can be. Seems like the best I can do is ask the question one by one and form an opinion of that individual.
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations” – James Madison 1788
Myself, and all my LEO friends are 100% in favor of it.
I do however think that punishments for illegally possessing / using a gun should be much more swift and severe. Here in TN, its a citation. Hardly a punishment. We dont need MORE gun laws. We need to more severely punish the criminals who decide to break the laws we already have.
Also, once convicted of a crime (a real crime, not speeding), you should lose your permit. I know plenty of folks here who still have a valid permit even after multiple drug possession charges. That ticks me off.
Retired from Policing....
But how I feel dont matter... The law allows that the American citizen can be armed. I'm real tired of so many people worrying about the police and what they think. The Police work for the people. Police chiefs serve at the pleasure of the people. Sheriff's serve at the pleasure of the people. I know what I'm saying may sound upside down... but ALL politicians serve at the pleasure of the people. It's high time we remind them all of this.
Many of the COP in Wisconsin made it clear they would tell their office to take people to the ground, take their weapons and let some court sort it out.
Madison Police have been know for beating CC and open carry people. Action speak louder than words.
And for those who don't know, Madison Wi is a liberal hole, a stronghold for the militant socialist. Hardly an example to draw conclusions about a nationwide issue.
"Just blame Sixto"
I also am not a LEO, but my dad was one. I have been friends with a number of LEO's over the years. I have only seen one cop on the street that was against the average citizen having a concealed carry permit.
By the way, welcome to the board and when your permit arrives welcome to concealed carry. In the meantime it would be good to start getting some practice carrying around the house if you don't already.
LEOs support of CCW for citizens vary as much as the general public. Much of it is dependent on the area of the country they are in.
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. Albert Einstein
"People in Arizona carry guns," said a Chandler police spokesman. "You better be careful about who you are picking on."