Concealed Carry Permits in New York City ?

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    Concealed Carry Permits in New York City ?

    It seems that New York State has taken away the power from the counties and municipalities (Bloomberg) as far as gun laws are concerned.

    " The new laws include a statewide gun registry and a uniform licensing standard, altering the current system in which each county or municipality sets its own standard. "

    This should for all intents and purposes take the power out of Bloomberg paws to refuse people with New York state CC permits to legally carry with in city limits !?

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    I suspect what it really does is only allow folks like Bloomberg to get a permit. No connections to big politics, no permit is my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVille View Post
    I suspect what it really does is only allow folks like Bloomberg to get a permit. No connections to big politics, no permit is my guess.
    In the past yes , because county gun laws trumped state laws. Under the SAFE Act the state has control , that being said NYC should now be open to CC as of two days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePope View Post
    In the past yes , because county gun laws trumped state laws. Under the SAFE Act the state has control , that being said NYC should now be open to CC as of two days ago.
    Ok, but NY just passed ridiculous State laws. Will the State CC laws prevail now, and the wonderful Governor decide who may carry? Or does it leave it with the locals to hand out permits, more like Alabama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TVille View Post
    Ok, but NY just passed ridiculous State laws. Will the State CC laws prevail now, and the wonderful Governor decide who may carry? Or does it leave it with the locals to hand out permits, more like Alabama?
    Nope , thats my point .
    Now the state is running the show , under the new law order , which means NYC is open to CC with any one that holds a NY CC permit ...
    Sounds silly but over all its a huge deal , if some " hokey " from upstate with a CC permit can now travel hot thru NYC !

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    If correct, that ain't gonna last long I bet Bloomberg doesn't agree

    If true, that's about the most ironic example of the "Law of Unintended Consequences" I've ever seen! Hysterical!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    If correct, that ain't gonna last long I bet Bloomberg doesn't agree

    If true, that's about the most ironic example of the "Law of Unintended Consequences" I've ever seen! Hysterical!
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    from what I have read counties have lost the power

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    Sorry but:

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePope View Post
    It seems that New York State has taken away the power from the counties and municipalities (Bloomberg) as far as gun laws are concerned.

    " The new laws include a statewide gun registry and a uniform licensing standard, altering the current system in which each county or municipality sets its own standard. "

    This should for all intents and purposes take the power out of Bloomberg paws to refuse people with New York state CC permits to legally carry with in city limits !?
    Likely not. NYC, permitted by the State, has its own set of gun laws, so new regs will likely not effect them. This is true in many areas. I've lived there on and off.

    I have a NY State Handicapped permit and hang-tag. I tried to use it the first time in Manhattan a few years back when I was there a couple of years; after asking a street cop if I could, he answered, technically no, NYC, Manhattan at least, does not recognize handicapped permits from anywhere else in the country including New York State. But he said no one would ticket me. Asked the same of 2 cops in squad car - same answer, pointed out an otherwise illegal place to park, in front of a Church, they said looks fine.
    To make sure permit was visible I put it on dashboard and parked overnight.

    Next morning: a $65 parking ticket for having an official notice (the handicap tag) improperly displayed. And another $65 ticket for illegal parking.

    They do not accept any Handicapped permit but their own, which is only granted by doctors working for them. Hence, it is close to impossible to get a Handicapped Permit - unless you are so disabled you can't drive - in which case they won't let you drive.

    Same with gun law: a world unto itself. (For all that I love NYC, but forget normal law operating there).

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    No changes were made to Subdivision 6 of Section 400.00...which is the paragraph saying a NYS permit is not valid in NYC. The statewide licensing just means that the NYSP will maintain a list of all licenses and applications and routinely check them for any that should be revoked.

    {The entire section is underlined in the bill which accounts for the formatting below}

    400.02 Statewide license and record database.
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    14 There shall be a statewide license and record database which shall be
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    15 created and maintained by the division of state police the cost of which
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    16 shall not be borne by any municipality. Records assembled or collected
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    17 for purposes of inclusion in such database shall not be subject to
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    18 disclosure pursuant to article six of the public officers law. Records
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    19 containing granted license applications shall be periodically checked by
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    20 the division of criminal justice services against criminal conviction,
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    21 mental health, and all other records as are necessary to determine their
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    22 continued accuracy as well as whether an individual is no longer a
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    23 valid license holder. The division of criminal justice services shall
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    24 also check pending applications made pursuant to this article against
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    25 such records to determine whether a license may be granted. All state
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    26 agencies shall cooperate with the division of criminal justice services,
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    27 as otherwise authorized by law, in making their records available for
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    28 such checks. The division of criminal justice services, upon determining
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    29 that an individual is ineligible to possess a license, or is no longer a
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    30 valid license holder, shall notify the applicable licensing official of
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    31 such determination and such licensing official shall not issue a license
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    32 or revoke such license and any weapons owned or possessed by such indi-
    __________________________________________________ ______________________
    33 vidual shall be removed consistent with the provisions of subdivision
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    34 eleven of section 400.00 of this article. Local and state law enforce-
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    35 ment shall have access to such database, as otherwise authorized by law,
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    36 in the performance of their duties. Records assembled or collected for
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    37 purposes of inclusion in the database established by this section shall
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    38 be released pursuant to a court order.
    ______________________________________

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    When I lived in MA, the issuing authority was the local police chief. If you were not connected, or had a really good reason for having one, they would drag their feet and hope you went away. I knew people that had to hire a lawyer and sue to get the permits issued. It was a "may" issue state vs a "shall" issue state. Im sure NY is similar.
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