This is a discussion on Snubbie within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by DannyB1954 I don't see a lot of benefit in a snubbie .357mag compared to the 38 +p. The bullet is long gone ...
My rifle and pistol are tools, I am the weapon.
This is what I carry in my snub nose 38.
Buffalo Bore also makes +P loads if your gun will run +P. I have been very pleased with these. The web site doesn't say it, although I think they used to, that the 125 grain hollowpoint are Speer Gold Dots. I know they sure do appear to be from what I have seen comparing pictures of expanded Buffalo Bore and gold dots.
Heres a picture of a few I shot into water jugs:
I can feel the difference in the load when I shoot these compared to practice ammo, so I really do believe them when they say they get the maximum performance from their loads.
As far as a snub nose for a primary, if you carry a speedloader or speed strip and use common sense I think a 5 shot revolver is fine as a primary. I am use mine when I have to wear a tucked dress shirt because it conceals better than my glock.
My rifle and pistol are tools, I am the weapon.
true the agents didn't have the best plan in the world, but they didn't know for sure that the guys had rifles, but they were dirtbags for sure, anyway....
-you said it, try not to have a shootout with persons having superior firepower unless you just have to
-on the flip side...try to have superior firepower against the dirtbag(s)
-an agent was shot while trying to reload his revolver, could be a great discussion topic on capacity and reloading skills, reloading behind cover, etc
-they were not prepared for vehicles colliding, this could easily happen to any of us and we should be prepared for it
-carry quality ammo, today bonded seems to be the most recommended; sure most CCWers won't have to shoot into/through doors but Murphy has a strange way of butting into our lives; for some reason he visits me at the most inappropriate time; I would want to carry the most effective round for all occasions
-carry your carry piece in a holster (Manauzzi had taken his sidearm out in preparation and lost it after the vehicles collided)
-if you wear glasses or contacts, your vision in a SD situation could mean the difference (one agent lost his glasses and was out of the fight for a time), just something to think about
-one agent was shot in the arm and a combination of his injury and blood in his revolver's chambers kept him from reloading
-the murdered agents were shot while behind a car, they were not aware of Platt moving to them and he got the drop on them
lots of things can happen, so we should prepare and practice, some things that I take from this shootout that need to be practiced and/or discussed: one handed shooting with both hands, reloading with one hand both strong and support hands alone whether its revolver or semi; being aware of the threat and the threat's movements; preferably reload behind cover but be able to maintain visual on where suspect is, if not behind cover you should be moving; think about your ammo and you weapon's capacity
I hope nobody misunderstands me, I'm not knocking revolvers....I own 3 of them, I carry a 642 on duty for backup, every once in awhile I carry in in the pocket with a couple of speedloaders, but thats not very often. The topic of revolvers should be discussed as it relates to this shootout, agents getting shot while reloading, etc. Hopefully everyone that wants to can think about all this and be prepared.
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I've been to the range with my new speed strips at first its awkward to reload and kind of slow a lil practice and im pretty fast with the speed strips a lot faster with speed loaders lol I usually carry a speed loader or 2 two speed strips
Practice practice practice. The drills like moving to cover, dropping & reloading can be done in the garage, bedroom oe backyard. Practice standing, kneeling & sitting. Reloading should be as automaric as front sight on target, pull trigger in a double tap.
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oh I have been working on it at the range. I don't have practice snap caps or anything like that and for safety reasons I don't try it at home if I where in SC my home I have land but here in KS where im stationed with the military I don't have land and cant be doing it out in the yard. I live in the city here but in sc I've got land in the country!!
I carry a 642 daily and don't feel undergunned. I carry for self protection not to go to war and not to look for trouble. If I need more than 5 shots, I'm in a world of hurt!
...I agree...at least 2 speed strips would be a great addition...
I agree and disagree with a lot of what has been said in this thread.
My daily carry to and from work is a .38+P LCR with Remington Golden Sabers in the cylinder, one five round speed strip with four rounds and the middle hole empty (OP, try this, it makes reloading much, much faster with the strip) and one speed loader in my coat pocket. My reasoning for this is that I almost never leave my car and I cannot carry at work so for that threat level a snub is perfectly adequate. Why? Because carjackers are my main concern and my first choice is going to be drive away if I can. Most other times I carry the LCR as BUG to a 9mm semi-auto and a spare mag or two. Why? It's true that 99% of the situations that civilians face (ie not looking for trouble) SHOULD be able to be covered by 10rds (snub and a speed loader) but I really, really do not want to find myself in that 1% of situations where I would be outgunned with five rounds. And you may say "but you have more rounds in the speed loader and strip" yep, but trying to reload a revolver is not really in the cards if you are grappling with a guy or two. But I also like carrying a sharp, pointy thing or two...
I think the biggest thing is that people need to assess their own environments and activities to decide what works best for them.
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On high powered rounds and massive amounts of ammo, In an urban setting most of the bullets that you shoot will hit something, maybe not your intended target, but something or someone. So there is a liability associated with every shot. Even if you do get the bad guy, you will be held responsible for the damage done to everything else that you hit, (including the guy standing behind the bad guy). If you are actually hitting the target that you are shooting at, a great deal of ammo is really not necessary, nor is a 500 S&W magnum.
642 here with critical duty ammo...
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